51: Gretchen Rubin Returns

Gretchen Rubin is back! In this episode we talk about why it's important to know if you're a moderator or an abstainer when it comes to setting habits and resolutions. Gretchen also reveals her own personal instruction manual for life - the Gretchen Rubin recipe for success. I ask her to reveal her guilty pleasure, and how she wants the world to remember her when she's gone. Later, we're joined by mindfulness expert Joelle Anderson. I ask her why meditation isn't more relaxing.

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Gretchen Rubin is New York Times bestselling author of multiple books including The Happiness Project, Better Than Before, and The Four Tendencies.

In this conversation, Keith and Gretchen discuss:

Abstainers vs. moderators: Why some people need to go cold turkey and others do better with moderation [2:53] Gretchen's four foundational habits [7:59] The controversial science of clean vs. messy desks [10:30] [16:00] Gretchen's Instruction Manual

1. What are the habits you maintain every day to stay happy and healthy? [16:15]

Go to bed between 10:30 and 10:45 and get up at 6am Go for a short walk with dog every morning and a long walk in Central Park when she can Work every day Read every day

 2. What personal development book do you recommend? [17:27]

The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin

3. Favorite personal mantra / inspirational quote [18:28] 

Be Gretchen

4. What's your one guilty pleasure? [19:10]

Drink immense amounts of caffeine.

5. When your time comes, how do you want to be remembered? [19:55]

As someone who helped other people to find happiness. [20:46] Where to find Gretchen Website: GretchenRubin.com Four Tendencies quiz: Quiz.GretchenRubin.com Instagram: @gretchenrubin Twitter: @gretchenrubin Podcast: Happier with Gretchen Rubin [22:09] Mindfulness contributor Joelle Anderson on why meditation isn't always relaxing

Joelle Anderson is a therapist specializing in mindfulness meditation and creator and host of the Kernel of Wisdom YouTube channel.

In this conversation, Keith and Joelle discuss:

It's a common misconception that mindfulness is supposed to be relaxing [23:20] If meditation isn't going to make us feel better, why bother? [25:05] Where to find Joelle [] Kernelofwisdom.com YouTube.com/KernelofWisdom1