Return guest, Maria A. Ellis, catches us up on all she's been doing - including her real-life Sister Act story - and then guides us through the steps and tools to help us all diversify our programs.


In this episode we address:


Barriers and how to work with them
Trust and how and why to build it
Programming versus needs
Building and bringing value
....and more!


Learn more about and connect with Maria A. Ellis at @girlconductor on social media and at https://girlconductor.com/


Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/L7ap5qBA0BU 


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**Show music originally written by Mr. Todd Monsell


**Show photography provided by Dr. Dan Biggerstaff