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Movie Show Theater: The Podcast

159 episodes - English - Latest episode: 4 days ago - ★★★★★ - 9 ratings

We are a couple of Illinois natives, lifelong friends, and lovers of all movies! We are thoroughly fascinated by the inner workings of movies, and we seem to gain some kind of insight out of every movie we watch(good or bad). We started five years ago in Peoria, Illinois, huddled around one microphone in my dining room, and now we live in Chicago and geek out about movies a few times a month. Check us out or get a hold of us to join us in the studio to talk shop with us on the air!

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#84- Donnie Darko (2001)

May 07, 2024 11:17 - 1 hour - 56.1 MB

It’s been ALMOST 25 years since this cult classic was released & we thought it was finally time to determine if Donnie Darko is deep or dumb or possibly BOTH?! How does it hold up in 2024? The answer might surprise you! I connect with my original podcast crew, Stu & Ben to help me figure out what EXACTLY this movie is about. We also uncovered a few things you might not know about the pretentious mystery that is Donnie Darko.

#84 Donnie Darko

May 07, 2024 11:17 - 1 hour - 56.1 MB

It’s been ALMOST 25 years since this cult classic was released & we thought it was finally time to determine if Donnie Darko is deep or dumb or possibly BOTH?! How does it hold up in 2024? The answer might surprise you! I connect with my original podcast crew, Stu & Ben to help me figure out what EXACTLY this movie is about. We also uncovered a few things you might not know about the pretentious mystery that is Donnie Darko.

#83- Phantom of the Opera (2004)

April 22, 2024 11:37 - 1 hour - 70.5 MB

Oh look, my wife has hijacked the podcast again so get ready to change your tune on this widely misunderstood 2004 musical from one of the weirdest and most appropriate creative collaborations of all time: Joel Schumacher and Andrew Lloyd Weber! Did you like this movie? Did you NOT like this movie? If you answered yes, this episode is for YOU!

#82- American Movie (1999)

April 03, 2024 00:30 - 14 minutes - 13.4 MB

American Movie is a documentary released in 1999 and has changed my life in many ways, I wish I was kidding! This heartbreaking, harrowing, and hilarious journey into one man's quest to make a short film won the Grand Jury Prize at Sundance in 1999 and is truly unlike anything I've ever seen!

#81- BEST OF 2023

December 31, 2023 16:19 - 51 minutes - 47.2 MB

It's our New Year's Eve show so OBVIOUSLY we're talking favorites here. Director/Producer Corey Gilbert & Composer/DP CJ Johnson join me with their #1 favorites for the year. It was such a great year for movies, so let's get crack in!

#80- SE7EN (1995)

July 13, 2022 22:12 - 1 hour - 59.5 MB

Let's ring in the summer season with this gross, dark, masterpiece of a film. Co-Owner of P3 Mediaworks production company Corey Gilbert joins me to pick apart this 90's classic from David Fincher! After watching it 8+ times, I still pick up tidbits of foreshadowing and so much layered storytelling that just begs to be picked apart, so let's go do just that! And hey.. thanks for the support!

#79- FRESH (2022)

June 26, 2022 21:49 - 17 minutes - 15.8 MB

I'm spotlighting FRESH today as a beacon of hope that original and unique storytelling IS coming out of Hollywood (AKA Toronto and Atlanta). This was the best kind of "that movie" I've seen in years. I absolutely loved this movie and I want to explain exactly what made this movie stand out to me. Got 20 minutes?

#78- THE BATMAN (2022)

March 25, 2022 18:38 - 1 hour - 72.7 MB

We put 3 writers and a professional film composer in the same room in an attempt to pick apart this somewhat polarizing reiteration of Batman. So what happens what you pull story elements from 5 different Batman stories? Well.. we're trying to figure that out. Also please check out the below link and vote for our friend / composer, CJ Johnson for the 2022 Fangoria Chainsaw Awards! https://www.fangoria.com/original/chainsaw-awards-2022/

#77- PRIDE & PREJUDICE (2005)

March 17, 2022 22:58 - 1 hour - 58.1 MB

Take a dive with us into the world of regency romance as we ask the age old question, Who is YOUR Mr. Darcy. My constant reader/constant writer wife (and resident regency expert) Ana takes point as our tour guide through the early 1800s. We try to discover just what pissed off all the Austenites about this adaptation. Was it the end scene, was it the extra spicy Elizabeth, was it the supposed banality of it all? We try to discover answers to these and more, and as always.. thanks for supporti...

#76- HEAT (1995)

January 07, 2022 01:20 - 50 minutes - 115 MB

It's the 1st episode of our 7th season and we may (or may not) have found our 1st 'PERFECT MOVIE'! So what IS a perfect movie and what makes THIS one a perfect movie? Corey Gilbert is a producer/director/co-owner of P3 Mediaworks, a production company here in Chicago, IL, and he's here to help us understand what flawless storytelling looks like. HEAT was released 27 years ago (almost to the day) and it's never looked better or held more relevancy.

HEAT (1995)

January 07, 2022 01:20 - 50 minutes - 115 MB

It's the 1st episode of our 7th season and we may (or may not) have found our 1st 'PERFECT MOVIE'! So what IS a perfect movie and what makes THIS one a perfect movie? Corey Gilbert is a producer/director/co-owner of P3 Mediaworks, a production company here in Chicago, IL, and he's here to help us understand what flawless storytelling looks like. HEAT was released 27 years ago (almost to the day) and it's never looked better or held more relevancy.

The Matrix

November 23, 2021 18:05 - 1 hour - 56.3 MB

To capitalize on The Matrix Resurrections coming to theaters and HBO Max on December 22nd, we decided it was time to revisit The Matrix from all the way back to the year 1999. Ben and I were the PERFECT demographic for the release of this landmark film, but how does it hold up in 2021? We were both surprised for very different reasons. You can check out the original three movies on HBO Max!

#75- THE MATRIX (1999)

November 23, 2021 18:05 - 1 hour - 56.3 MB

To capitalize on The Matrix Resurrections coming to theaters and HBO Max on December 22nd, we decided it was time to revisit The Matrix from all the way back to the year 1999. Ben and I were the PERFECT demographic for the release of this landmark film, but how does it hold up in 2021? We were both surprised for very different reasons. You can check out the original three movies on HBO Max!

#74- TOTAL RECALL (1990 VS. 2012)

November 02, 2021 15:31 - 48 minutes - 44 MB

Filmmaker Dakota Kuhlmann joins us to pick apart one of the titans of science fiction cult classics. Do you remember the 2012 Total Recall? Was it remake? Was it a reboot? Was it a reimagining? What's the difference and how can you even tell? Maybe it holds up better than the original. Maybe you forgot how super decent it actually is. Then again, maybe it IS as bad as you remember. Either way, join us as we compare it to one of the weirdest, wildest, and most fun movie of 1990.

Total Recall

November 02, 2021 15:31 - 48 minutes - 44 MB

Filmmaker Dakota Kuhlmann joins us to pick apart one of the titans of science fiction cult classics. Do you remember the 2012 Total Recall? Was it remake? Was it a reboot? Was it a reimagining? What's the difference and how can you even tell? Maybe it holds up better than the original. Maybe you forgot how super decent it actually is. Then again, maybe it IS as bad as you remember. Either way, join us as we compare it to one of the weirdest, wildest, and most fun movie of 1990.

#73- HALLOWEEN (1978)

October 22, 2021 14:14 - 48 minutes - 44.2 MB

For our 2021 Halloween Special, I decided to coerce my non-horror movie loving wife to watch what some would consider THE horror movie standard. How does HALLOWEEN look in 2021? Was it scarier than she thought it would be? Was it more fun than she thought it would be? What worked and what didn't? Although this movie is timeless in my mind's eye, I can't be oblivious to its faults and shortcomings even for 1978. Listen if you dare, but remember.. "It's halloween, I guess everyone's entitled to...

Halloween (1978)

October 22, 2021 14:14 - 48 minutes - 44.2 MB

For our 2021 Halloween Special, I decided to coerce my non-horror movie loving wife to watch what some would consider THE horror movie standard. How does HALLOWEEN look in 2021? Was it scarier than she thought it would be? Was it more fun than she thought it would be? What worked and what didn't? Although this movie is timeless in my mind's eye, I can't be oblivious to its faults and shortcomings even for 1978. Listen if you dare, but remember.. "It's halloween, I guess everyone's entitled to...

#72- NIGHTHAWKS (1981)

June 11, 2020 23:29 - 52 minutes - 47.9 MB

One of our original podcasters (Ben) decided we should watch Nighthawks from 1981.. so we did. Was it good? Is it worth a watch in 2020? Is it just a total cheeseball action flick? These are the hard hitting questions we're hitting today! If you haven't seen Nighthawks, you can find it on Netflix (US) right now! It was Rutger Hauer's US film debut, and buy does he shine!

Nighthawks

June 11, 2020 23:29 - 52 minutes - 47.9 MB

One of our original podcasters (Ben) decided we should watch Nighthawks from 1981.. so we did. Was it good? Is it worth a watch in 2020? Is it just a total cheeseball action flick? These are the hard hitting questions we're hitting today! If you haven't seen Nighthawks, you can find it on Netflix (US) right now! It was Rutger Hauer's US film debut, and buy does he shine!

#71- THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA(2006)

January 14, 2020 02:23 - 59 minutes - 54.9 MB

I have a wife and she has taken over the podcast tonight! She likes movies (almost as much) as I do, and we share many similar tastes in movies. The biggest difference is that she is way smarter than I am, and makes observations I sometimes miss. She has listened to our podcast for years has noticed our consistent lack of female perspective in the studio and the deficiency of strong female leads in the movies we choose. The Devil Wears Prada is a COMEDY and arguably the best movie from 2006. ...

The Devil Wears Prada (2006)

January 14, 2020 02:23 - 59 minutes - 54.9 MB

I have a wife and she has taken over the podcast tonight! She likes movies (almost as much) as I do, and we share many similar tastes in movies. The biggest difference is that she is way smarter than I am, and makes observations I sometimes miss. She has listened to our podcast for years has noticed our consistent lack of female perspective in the studio and the deficiency of strong female leads in the movies we choose. The Devil Wears Prada is a COMEDY and arguably the best movie from 2006. ...

Robocop (1987)

July 23, 2019 19:06 - 53 minutes - 63.4 MB

Dead or alive, you're coming with me! With us, I mean, on another cinematic journey of pure satirical perfection. While some may remember this (inaccurately) as a crass, shallow, ultra violent look into a nasty future, we dive in to extract the technical achievement and true master class in storytelling we remember from Robocop. Jimmy tries out a new trivia game all about fictional movie bars, Joey recalls the drug-induced revelation of his youth, Sam shares some of the cast's favorite moment...

#70- ROBOCOP (1987)

July 23, 2019 19:06 - 53 minutes - 63.4 MB

Dead or alive, you're coming with me! With us, I mean, on another cinematic journey of pure satirical perfection. While some may remember this (inaccurately) as a crass, shallow, ultra violent look into a nasty future, we dive in to extract the technical achievement and true master class in storytelling we remember from Robocop. Jimmy tries out a new trivia game all about fictional movie bars, Joey recalls the drug-induced revelation of his youth, Sam shares some of the cast's favorite moment...

#69- BLADE RUNNER (1982)

October 12, 2018 16:47 - 36 minutes - 33 MB

It's a big day today! The original Blade Runner is my all time favorite movie! The original Blade Runner is Stu's all time favorite movie! Today we're coming together to explain why. Maybe you've seen it enough times that you totally understand our deep love for this classic, or maybe you just saw it once last year to prepare for the sequel. But we're not talking about the sequel today, rather putting our entire focus on this movie and examining just what makes it so special in a sea of scien...

Blade Runner (1982)

October 12, 2018 16:47 - 36 minutes - 33 MB

It's a big day today! The original Blade Runner is my all time favorite movie! The original Blade Runner is Stu's all time favorite movie! Today we're coming together to explain why. Maybe you've seen it enough times that you totally understand our deep love for this classic, or maybe you just saw it once last year to prepare for the sequel. But we're not talking about the sequel today, rather putting our entire focus on this movie and examining just what makes it so special in a sea of scien...

Middle Coast Film Festival 2018: The Interviews

September 22, 2018 19:11 - 1 hour - 70.3 MB

Welcome back to the show! Today, we're going to the Davis Theater (4614 N Lincoln Ave, Chicago) for the Middle Coast Film Festival! We got a look behind the scenes and got to talk to John Schorg, the chairman of the festival. John discussed the importance of short films, and why they have so much to offer us. We also sat down with Melissa Fitzsimmons, the program director for the Middle Coast Film Festival, to get an idea of the amount of footwork involved in this massive undertaking, includi...

#68- Middle Coast Film Festival 2018: The Interviews

September 22, 2018 19:11 - 1 hour - 70.3 MB

Welcome back to the show! Today, we're going to the Davis Theater (4614 N Lincoln Ave, Chicago) for the Middle Coast Film Festival! We got a look behind the scenes and got to talk to John Schorg, the chairman of the festival. John discussed the importance of short films, and why they have so much to offer us. We also sat down with Melissa Fitzsimmons, the program director for the Middle Coast Film Festival, to get an idea of the amount of footwork involved in this massive undertaking, includi...

#67- ANNIHILATION (2018)

September 11, 2018 07:17 - 47 minutes - 43.2 MB

This is the premiere episode of our 5th season, and we're shimmering with excitement! Spending four months away from all of you is just too long, so here we are! We're back with a movie that *ucked us up, and we sure hope it *ucked you up, too! Chicago actor & playwright Christopher M. Walsh stopped by to be our voice of authority. Be amazed as he tries to answer about 20 of the top 300 questions this movie left us with. Annihilation was just the first book in a three book series called the S...

Annihilation (2018)

September 11, 2018 07:17 - 47 minutes - 43.2 MB

This is the premiere episode of our 5th season, and we're shimmering with excitement! Spending four months away from all of you is just too long, so here we are! We're back with a movie that *ucked us up, and we sure hope it *ucked you up, too! Chicago actor & playwright Christopher M. Walsh stopped by to be our voice of authority. Be amazed as he tries to answer about 20 of the top 300 questions this movie left us with. Annihilation was just the first book in a three book series called the S...

The Power Of Film Music

March 20, 2018 06:36 - 1 hour - 59.5 MB

Oh dang, I am so in over my head with authority today! We're talking about film music and the powerful impact it has on visual storytelling. I brought Norm Burns (dear friend, guitar builder, musician), Ana Holguin-Malone (student of music, brilliant woman, wife), and C.J. Johnson (musician, sound designer, film composer). We each brought a piece of music from a film we thought was a beaming showcase of what music can do and its incredible emotional power! We break down some classic music fr...

#66- The Power Of Film Music

March 20, 2018 06:36 - 1 hour - 59.5 MB

Oh dang, I am so in over my head with authority today! We're talking about film music and the powerful impact it has on visual storytelling. I brought Norm Burns (dear friend, guitar builder, musician), Ana Holguin-Malone (student of music, brilliant woman, wife), and C.J. Johnson (musician, sound designer, film composer). We each brought a piece of music from a film we thought was a beaming showcase of what music can do and its incredible emotional power! We break down some classic music fr...

Filmmakers On Filmmaking

January 24, 2018 17:04 - 46 minutes - 42.3 MB

I'm joined by directors Jason Snydaker and Dakota Kuhlmann of Exit Reality Entertainment, as well as producer Matt Pleasant to talk about what it means to be a filmmaker and some of the problems that have that will always follow. Dakota talks about his experience making his first feature film, The Pale One. I also found a pretty strange trivia question, wanna know what it is? Ok, How many movies are there? I found out. We also use David Fincher as our standard for expert storytelling through...

#65- Filmmakers On Filmmaking

January 24, 2018 17:04 - 46 minutes - 42.3 MB

I'm joined by directors Jason Snydaker and Dakota Kuhlmann of Exit Reality Entertainment, as well as producer Matt Pleasant to talk about what it means to be a filmmaker and some of the problems that have that will always follow. Dakota talks about his experience making his first feature film, The Pale One. I also found a pretty strange trivia question, wanna know what it is? Ok, How many movies are there? I found out. We also use David Fincher as our standard for expert storytelling through...

#64- The Best & The Worst of 2017

December 30, 2017 16:15 - 59 minutes - 54.7 MB

Well it's the last day of a most strange year, and we're here to celebrate our unknown future by looking back at some of the best and some of the worst movies from 2017. Another year full of competing superhero movies, although Wonder Woman stands pretty tall (thanks again, Patty Jenkins). But we thought there might also be some gems you may have missed, like, The Overnight, Free Fire, and Brigsby Bear. We have some fascinatingly weird 2017 trivia we want to share, cinematic tangents, and we ...

The Best & The Worst of 2017

December 30, 2017 16:15 - 59 minutes - 54.7 MB

Well it's the last day of a most strange year, and we're here to celebrate our unknown future by looking back at some of the best and some of the worst movies from 2017. Another year full of competing superhero movies, although Wonder Woman stands pretty tall (thanks again, Patty Jenkins). But we thought there might also be some gems you may have missed, like, The Overnight, Free Fire, and Brigsby Bear. We have some fascinatingly weird 2017 trivia we want to share, cinematic tangents, and we ...

#63- KRAMPUS (2015)

December 21, 2017 00:19 - 43 minutes - 40 MB

Have you ever had a long phone conversation with one of your best friends that was so good you just HAD to turn it into a podcast episode? Well that's what you're about to experience, because I called up Ben, our old co-host from Peoria and we covered so much ground, I just had to bring it to you. He is our resident horror buff, I had just watched Krampus, and I wanted to hear his take on the PG-13 horror movie and why they so rarely work. This is our holiday episode and Krampus was just fi...

Krampus (2015)

December 21, 2017 00:19 - 43 minutes - 40 MB

Have you ever had a long phone conversation with one of your best friends that was so good you just HAD to turn it into a podcast episode? Well that's what you're about to experience, because I called up Ben, our old co-host from Peoria and we covered so much ground, I just had to bring it to you. He is our resident horror buff, I had just watched Krampus, and I wanted to hear his take on the PG-13 horror movie and why they so rarely work. This is our holiday episode and Krampus was just fi...

#62- The Art of the Bad Movie

December 02, 2017 00:52 - 1 hour - 74.3 MB

This week we celebrate the lost art of the bad movie, because The Disaster Artist was released today, which chronicles the making of the best GOOD bad movie of all time, The Room. So we thought, what makes a GOOD bad movie, and what makes a BAD bad movie, and what's the difference? We each brought to the table an example of a BAD bad movie, including The Island of Dr. Moreau (1996), Howard The Duck (1986), Kate & Leopold (2001), and Bleeders (1997). We call up an old friend to weigh in on th...

The Art of the Bad Movie

December 02, 2017 00:52 - 1 hour - 74.3 MB

This week we celebrate the lost art of the bad movie, because The Disaster Artist was released today, which chronicles the making of the best GOOD bad movie of all time, The Room. So we thought, what makes a GOOD bad movie, and what makes a BAD bad movie, and what's the difference? We each brought to the table an example of a BAD bad movie, including The Island of Dr. Moreau (1996), Howard The Duck (1986), Kate & Leopold (2001), and Bleeders (1997). We call up an old friend to weigh in on th...

#61- BLACK SWAN (2010)

October 21, 2017 23:49 - 1 hour - 68.8 MB

This creepy and uncomfortable film is not your typical choice for a halloween episode, but we all thought Black Swan was more unnerving and jarring than most straight slashers and most modern horror films. We start with a heeping scoop of trivia, but our Black Swan discussion starts at 19.00 if that's what you're after. But do stick around, as I am joined by writer/dance movie enthusiast (also my wife), Ana Holguin and producer/director Corey Gilbert of P3 Mediaworks, a film production compan...

Black Swan (2010)

October 21, 2017 23:49 - 1 hour - 68.8 MB

This creepy and uncomfortable film is not your typical choice for a halloween episode, but we all thought Black Swan was more unnerving and jarring than most straight slashers and most modern horror films. We start with a heeping scoop of trivia, but our Black Swan discussion starts at 19.00 if that's what you're after. But do stick around, as I am joined by writer/dance movie enthusiast (also my wife), Ana Holguin and producer/director Corey Gilbert of P3 Mediaworks, a film production compan...

#60- IT (1990 & 2017)

October 07, 2017 15:10 - 1 hour - 55.7 MB

Hiya Georgie! I know we haven't talked in a while, but it's good to see you again! Stephen King aficionado Norm Burns and Chicago cinematographer Sarah Giroux stopped by to help with our past due It episode. So why are we just now talking about It a month after its release? Well because this episode is so unbelievably full of spoilers, I thought I'd give everyone ample time to see the new It installment before we reveal the ever loving shit out of it. That said, we all really liked It, big su...

It (1990 & 2017)

October 07, 2017 15:10 - 1 hour - 55.7 MB

Hiya Georgie! I know we haven't talked in a while, but it's good to see you again! Stephen King aficionado Norm Burns and Chicago cinematographer Sarah Giroux stopped by to help with our past due It episode. So why are we just now talking about It a month after its release? Well because this episode is so unbelievably full of spoilers, I thought I'd give everyone ample time to see the new It installment before we reveal the ever loving shit out of it. That said, we all really liked It, big su...

Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)

August 21, 2017 23:39 - 59 minutes - 54 MB

So we know you know this movie, but just how well do remember it? This year marks the 40th anniversary of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, so we decided to take another look at this true masterpiece of film. ? I'm joined by directors Corey Gilbert and Joey Fandel to help find some answers to some questions we still have 40 years later. Why did the aliens want to come here in the first place? How did this movie originally end? And if this is the Third Kind, what are the first two kinds and...

#59- CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977)

August 21, 2017 23:39 - 59 minutes - 54 MB

So we know you know this movie, but just how well do remember it? This year marks the 40th anniversary of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, so we decided to take another look at this true masterpiece of film. ? I'm joined by directors Corey Gilbert and Joey Fandel to help find some answers to some questions we still have 40 years later. Why did the aliens want to come here in the first place? How did this movie originally end? And if this is the Third Kind, what are the first two kinds and...

Do The Right Thing (1989)

August 04, 2017 02:52 - 1 hour - 57.9 MB

The first Spike Lee joint we've done and probably his most memorable. Producer and director (and Peoria native) Corey Gilbert of P3 Mediaworks, a Chicago based video production company. We're also joined by writer and actor Sam ball. This movie is so many things. Do The Right Thing is fun, bright, poignant, powerful, dark, relevant, dramatic, and profoundly enjoyable to watch. This is a film begging to be picked apart, so.. you know, we did. We also touch on some works of other modern visi...

#58- DO THE RIGHT THING(1989)

August 04, 2017 02:52 - 1 hour - 57.9 MB

The first Spike Lee joint we've done and probably his most memorable. Producer and director (and Peoria native) Corey Gilbert of P3 Mediaworks, a Chicago based video production company. We're also joined by writer and actor Sam ball. This movie is so many things. Do The Right Thing is fun, bright, poignant, powerful, dark, relevant, dramatic, and profoundly enjoyable to watch. This is a film begging to be picked apart, so.. you know, we did. We also touch on some works of other modern visi...

#57- WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S (1989)

July 17, 2017 23:58 - 58 minutes - 53.9 MB

To celebrate the middle of summer, we landed on a piece of true summer nostalgia (at least it is for me. And it takes 5 of us sitting around with microphones to explain just how bad this movie was. And is. Unless you've seen it, then you already know. Is it so bad it's funny? Is it just bad? Is it even funny? And did sentient cocaine direct this trash classic? No, but it might as well have been. The accents, the fashion, and the whole thing about Bernie being dead.. Man, I tell ya, this movie...

Weekend At Bernie's (1989)

July 17, 2017 23:58 - 58 minutes - 53.9 MB

To celebrate the middle of summer, we landed on a piece of true summer nostalgia (at least it is for me. And it takes 5 of us sitting around with microphones to explain just how bad this movie was. And is. Unless you've seen it, then you already know. Is it so bad it's funny? Is it just bad? Is it even funny? And did sentient cocaine direct this trash classic? No, but it might as well have been. The accents, the fashion, and the whole thing about Bernie being dead.. Man, I tell ya, this movie...

Fargo (1996)

June 27, 2017 15:52 - 58 minutes - 54 MB

It only took this podcast 3 years to finally arrive in Fargo, North Dakota, but I'm so glad we did. Friend and fellow filmmaker Joey Fandel joined me this week to help pick apart this beloved tale of murder, betrayal, and goofy accents. There's so much going on under the surface of Fargo, we barely touched on the music, the gorgeous visual aesthetic, the washed out color palettes, the TV spin-off, behind the scenes stories, and the original concept, but we did our best, OK? We also talk Wonde...