Pastor's Growing Church Community Podcast
205 episodes - English - Latest episode: 1 day ago - ★★★★★ - 5 ratingsIf you are a pastor looking to grow your church, then you need to know the 4 levers available to you.
This podcast is designed to support, encourage, and help pastors to understand the 4 levers of church growth, know how to pull them and maximize them to grow the local church.
Pastor, this community is built with you in mind. This community of pastors understands what you are going through, the challenges you are facing, and the stresses that creates. We also understand the sacrifice you make on a daily basis. We want to come together to make a difference in our local areas.
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What is Discipleship? Defining what it is so we can be better at it
April 24, 2024 13:05 - 18 minutes - 17.2 MBOne of the primary things we need to do as pastors and ministry leaders is to disciple people to be more like Jesus. However, if we don't fully understand what discipleship is, then we can't disciple people well. In this episode, we are going to talk about what discipleship is at its core so you can be more effective at leading your congregation through a discipleship experience. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________...
4 Keys to Keeping Your Pastoral Team Feeling Valued
April 17, 2024 13:10 - 24 minutes - 22.1 MBAcross the country, there is a pastoral shortage making it harder and harder for churches to keep their pastors on staff. In this episode, we are going to go over 4 ways you can keep your pastoral staff on your team feeling appreciated, engaged, and working hard instead of looking at the greener grass on the other side. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ If you are a p...
Pastor, Time to Stop being average
April 03, 2024 12:00 - 23 minutes - 21.7 MBPastor, if you are stuck just trying to be average, then I want to tell you to STOP!!! In today's video, I am going to show you why average isn't good enough for you to aspire to, and the reasons are going to surprise you. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ If you are a pastor who wants to grow your congregation, but you are tired of chasing ministry fads, then it is time to lea...
4 Levers of Church Growth
March 27, 2024 15:15 - 20 minutes - 19.2 MB⛪️ Church growth seems like a mystery a lot of times. What causes one church to grow in one place doesn't mean it will cause another church to grow in a different place. 🕰️ Too often what we see touted as 'ways to grow your church' boil down to exuberant hours of additional work on top of already exhausted and overwhelmed pastors. Well, if you are a pastor who wants to see your congregation grow and your community reached, but you are tired of chasing ministry fads, then it is time to le...
2 Ways Churches Need to Grow
March 20, 2024 21:22 - 23 minutes - 21.7 MBDo you know the 2 areas ⛪️ churches need⛪️ to grow? Do you know why it is important for them to grow in these two areas? The local church is a valuable part of the community it serves...but only if it grows. This video will reveal the two areas churches need to grow in and why it is so important for them to grow. Church growth is more than Sunday morning attendance, and every pastor needs to understand the other ways to grow their church community to be most effective. ❓❓❓Are you a p...
MH180 Why Getting Church Volunteers is Hard
October 30, 2023 16:25 - 21 minutes - 19.7 MB***Interested in finding a way to grow your church and have more free time? Download your FREE GUIDE to find the 4 steps to living the ministry life you have always dreamed of. https://www.brandonpardekooper.com/abundance Every church needs volunteers to make the Sunday magic happen, but if you are like most churches in the country, you struggle to get people to volunteer. Why is that? In this episode, I am going to show you 4 reasons why it is hard to get people to volunteer at church ...
MH179 4 Steps to an Abundant Pastoral Life
October 23, 2023 19:15 - 36 minutes - 33.7 MB🏝️🏝️🏝️ Hey Pastor, begin living the pastoral life you have always wanted to. Get your roadmap to an abundant life now, by going to https://www.brandonpardekooper.com/abundance/. 🏠🏠🏠 Too many pastors struggle through their weeks trying to get all the stuff done while also being present for their families and watching their health. The struggle shouldn't be as hard as it is, and today I want to talk about how you can get on the path to your own life of abundance. --- Send in a voice mes...
MH178 Stop growing your church!!! Grow this instead
October 02, 2023 19:30 - 35 minutes - 32.5 MB📈📈📈 GET A JUMP ON YOUR 2024 PLANNING!!! Download your free Church Staff Budget Template to help you build your budget for 2024. Start getting your offerings to work for you and make your ministries as effective as they can be. (brandonpardekooper.com/budget) In this episode, we will challenge the idea that you need to work hard to grow your church, and I will present a better option that will end up growing your church anyway. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/...
MH177 How to Boost Your Goal Achievement
November 21, 2022 14:11 - 43 minutes - 39.8 MB*** Ever wondered what the events of Christmas looked like from the eyes of those who were there? Here is your opportunity. In the Christmas devotional experience, High Point of Grace you have the opportunity to journey for 25 days with those who witnessed the greatest moment in human history. You do not want to miss out on this incredible experience. Join in here: https://brandonpardekooper.com/highpoint Want to move from great intentions to accomplished goals? It is hard to live a fulfill...
MH176 Using the Church Cycle for Change Management Part 5
November 16, 2022 14:11 - 20 minutes - 18.7 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife Knowing the church life cycle is essential, but where the rubber meets the road is when we try to navigate change based on the life cycle. In the life cycle, there are two specific change points. One is much easier to navigate than the other, and I will show you the difference in this episode. Both require different skill sets because they deal with different iss...
MH175 3 Keys to Engaging Pastoral Staff Meetings
November 14, 2022 14:11 - 32 minutes - 29.7 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife If you have a pastoral staff you lead, then you know that it is necessary to have staff meetings. But, what do you do when your staff complains about having to meet each week, they feel unengaged in your time together, and, maybe, you wish you could just stop having them? In this episode, Matt and I discuss three things you as the pastor can do to boost the eng...
MH174 Today's Ministry Training With Kolby Kissinger
November 11, 2022 14:11 - 38 minutes - 35.5 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife We talk a lot about the growing shortage of pastors and ministry leaders throughout the country. It leads us to ask the question, what is happening at the Bible College and Ministry Training School level? Is ministry training struggling and what can pastors do when they identify someone with a call on their lives for ministry? In this episode, I sit down with K...
MH173 Move Your Hobby to an Income Stream Part 2
November 09, 2022 14:45 - 35 minutes - 32.5 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife So you have created content for your income stream, now what? In this episode, that is exactly what Matt and I are talking about. We discuss the next steps after your content is created including how to build an atmosphere where people love to be part of what you are doing and love purchasing your services and products. --- Send in a voice message: https://p...
MH172 Using the Church Cycle for Change Management Part 4
November 04, 2022 13:11 - 32 minutes - 29.8 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife As we journey the Life Cycle of a Church, we will inevitably reach the other side of the bell curve and start moving toward the final stage of death. This is the stage where we close our doors for good. Luckily, we have some warning signs long before we get there in two earlier stages that allow us the opportunity to reinvent and restart the Life Cycle. In this ...
MH171 Using the Church Life Cycle for Change Management Part 3
November 02, 2022 13:11 - 25 minutes - 23.1 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife You want to build an income stream out of your hobby, skill, or knowledge and you are beginning to find your way forward. You have identified your niche and have started creating content. Now, what do you do with that content and start making sales? In this episode, Matt and I sit down and talk through the final four steps in creating a stream of income that su...
MH170 Move Your Hobby to an Income Stream Part 1
October 31, 2022 13:11 - 40 minutes - 36.9 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife Do you want an income stream to support you and your family as you serve in ministry? Well, this episode is for you. In this episode, Matt and I sit down and talk about turning a hobby into a side hustle. Both he and I have built side hustles while being in ministry and we have navigated through a lot of questions, issues, problems, and successes. We are going t...
MH169 Using the Church Life Cycle for Change Management Part 2
October 28, 2022 13:11 - 30 minutes - 27.5 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife The early stages of the church life cycle are challenging, but they can be a lot of fun. They are filled with curve balls, exciting moments, really high highs, and really low lows. In the midst of it all, the church is moving forward, growing, and people are having an encounter with God. But, do you know where you should focus during each stage? Are you focusin...
MH168 Using the Church Life Cycle for Change Management Part 1
October 26, 2022 14:57 - 25 minutes - 23.6 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife Change is a normal part of church life...at least it should be. But, timing change can be challenging. It is difficult to know when a change will be accepted, when friction can be minimized, and when to hold off. Unless you understand the stage of the church life cycle you are in. In this episode, we are going to begin a conversation about the Life Cycles of a ...
MH167 Assessing a Prayer Team using SWOT
October 24, 2022 13:11 - 38 minutes - 35 MBAre you a visionary pastor struggling with overwhelm? Here is how you can change that: https://brandonpardekooper.com/mydreamlife If you have wanted to see a SWOT analysis in action, this episode is for you. In this episode, Pastor Matt and I sit down and perform a SWOT analysis evaluating his prayer team. We walk step by step through the analysis and reveal what his next steps are to move his team to the next level. For more insight into using SWOT for Church Effectiveness, check out...
MH166 Keys to Outserving Your Volunteers
October 19, 2022 13:11 - 20 minutes - 18.6 MBYour volunteers are the backbone of your ministry and the key to creating margin in your time to focus on the things only you can do. However, it is one of the hardest things to do in ministry: keeping volunteers. In this episode, I want to show you 4 ways you can keep your volunteers by outserving them. Do these four things and you will see an increase in volunteer retention, an increase in volunteer recruitment, and a volunteer culture that is self-sustaining. --- Send in a voice messa...
MH165 4 Ways to Increase Sermon Engagement Throughout the Week
October 12, 2022 13:11 - 10 minutes - 9.58 MBCreate your very own podcast in only 2 WEEKS with this step-by-step course ABSOLUTELY FREE!!! https://brandonpardekooper.com/podcastcourse Do you want your congregants to engage with your sermon more throughout the week? This helps them understand their Bibles more and grow deeper in their relationship with Jesus. In this episode, I am going to talk about providing a devotional experience for your congregations and give you 4 ways to increase engagement with your sermon throughout the wee...
MH164 How to use SWOT for Church Effectiveness
October 10, 2022 13:11 - 39 minutes - 36.5 MBCreate your very own podcast in only 2 WEEKS with this step-by-step course ABSOLUTELY FREE!!! https://brandonpardekooper.com/podcastcourse Should you shut down that ministry? Should you funnel more resources into it? Is there a new ministry opportunity you need to take advantage of and add it to your faith community? This tool is a great way to know what the next step is...or isn't...to make sure you don't waste resources, and time, and serve your congregation more effectively. MH111 Ho...
MH163 Scenario Planning for Future Church
October 08, 2022 01:11 - 23 minutes - 21.6 MBCreate your very own podcast in only 2 WEEKS with this step-by-step course ABSOLUTELY FREE!!! https://brandonpardekooper.com/podcastcourse Do you want to know what the future of the church looks like? Of course, you do...we all do. Which is why we have been talking lately about the future of the church and how you can get a better picture of where the church is headed. You have done your horizon scan, you have identified trends, and you have analyzed them. Now what? How is all of this use...
MH162 4 Upgrades to Make Your Sermons Engaging
October 05, 2022 13:11 - 29 minutes - 26.8 MBCreate your very own podcast in only 2 WEEKS with this step-by-step course ABSOLUTELY FREE!!! https://brandonpardekooper.com/podcastcourse Do you wish your congregation received more from your sermons? Do you wish your sermons grabbed attention more? Do you just wish your congregants would stay awake and off their phones? Well, in this episode, I want to show you 4 Upgrades to your sermon that will make it more engaging so your congregants will not only stay away, but will learn more ...
MH161 Debate Over Small Groups for Discipleship
October 03, 2022 13:07 - 39 minutes - 36.1 MBAre small groups a viable ministry tool for discipleship? Small groups are a widely used ministry tool in churches all across the country. Though they are an incredible choice to engage your community and build relationships, it has become clear in recent years that they are not the best option for discipleship. At least that is what I think. :) In this episode, Matt takes issue with my stance and pushes back a bit that small groups can be a viable discipleship approach. Check out the de...
MH160 How to Horizon Scan for Future Church
September 30, 2022 13:11 - 32 minutes - 29.5 MBThe future for your church is coming. Are you ready for it? Do you even know what you are looking for? If not, that's ok because most of us don't. Well, it is time to begin to look into the future and get a better understanding of what you are looking for. In this episode, we are going to continue looking at how you can future-proof your church and get ready for whatever is coming. I want to show you how you can begin horizon scanning and identifying trends that are going to shape your chu...
MH159 4 Reasons Expository Sermons Are Critical in Your Church
September 28, 2022 13:07 - 25 minutes - 23.2 MBIf your congregation is like most in this country, they lack a strong biblical foundation. There are lots of factors that have contributed to this decline in our faithful Christians sitting in our pews each week. Despite the many factors, there is one sermon secret that you can implement that will begin to turn this trend around and deepen the biblical foundation in your church community. In this episode, we discuss four reasons why preaching expository sermons are the most effective appro...
MH158 Secrets to an Amazing Staff Retreat
September 26, 2022 13:07 - 36 minutes - 33.3 MBDo you want to boost team morale, foster a healthy staff culture, and refresh your ministry team? It may be time to plan a fantastic staff retreat. In this episode, Pastor Matt and I will talk through what you need to do to create a staff retreat that everyone will talk about and breathe new life into your staff culture. Building an effective team doesn't just happen; this may be the one piece of the puzzle you are missing. Build your dream life as a pastor by using this step-by-step proce...
MH157 How to See the Future of Ministry
September 23, 2022 13:08 - 22 minutes - 20.8 MBBuild your dream life as a pastor by using this step-by-step process: https://brandonpardekooper.com/moretimemoremoney Do you wish you could know the future of ministry? Do you wish you knew the challenges and difficulties your church would face in the coming years so you could be better prepared for them? Predicting the future is not something any of us can do with 100% accuracy, however, knowing the future we are walking into is certainly possible. In this episode, we are going to t...
MH156 4 Keys to Stronger Biblical Foundation in Church
September 21, 2022 19:07 - 31 minutes - 28.4 MBIt is no secret that we have learned over the last couple of years that Christians are unfamiliar with their Bibles. The statistics are clear that people who sit in our sanctuaries week after week do not know many of the stories we assume they do, and their understanding of theology is very low. How did we get there and what are we to do to fix this? In this episode, we are going to look at 4 keys to building a stronger biblical foundation in our churches. Implement these four keys and you ...
MH155 Build a Strong Budget for Next Year
September 19, 2022 19:11 - 26 minutes - 23.8 MBIt is church planning season and it is time to put together a budget that is going to set you up for success next year. In this episode, I am going to show you the process and guidelines I used for years as an Executive Pastor to help my pastoral staff build a budget that not only ended in the black each year, but helped us get ahead and build dream ministries with the surplus we enjoyed. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/growingchurch/message
MH154 Excited about Fall 2022
September 07, 2022 19:12 - 24 minutes - 22.4 MBFall is here and it is an exciting time. Football is kicking off, leaves are changing, pumpkin spice is on the menu, and churches are planning for the next year. In this episode, I am going to share the plans for this fall, what our goals are going to be, and how we are going to approach planning for the next year. I also give a little insight into what is happening with the podcast and what we are going to be covering over the next few months. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcas...
MH153 Help Your Team Be Productive and Creative
August 08, 2022 20:18 - 41 minutes - 38.4 MBWhen you have a team of pastors or volunteers, you are faced with the tension of giving them freedom and providing accountability. You want your teams to be productive, but you also want them to be creative and not stifled by heavy oversight. So, as a leader, how do you provide freedom to be creative while also providing accountability to be productive? In this episode, Pastor Matt and I give you 4 ways you can help your team be productive while also remaining creative in their responsibil...
MH152 Key Traits Staff Pastors Want in Their Lead Pastor
August 01, 2022 19:23 - 47 minutes - 43.6 MBIf you are a Lead Pastor and you want to know what your staff pastors are looking for in you as their leader, this episode is for you. I sit down with two very close friends of mine to discuss the Lead Pastors we have served over the years and what we liked about them. We served on staff for a season and have shared a close bond over the years since we have all transitioned to other positions. For this episode, we came together to help Lead Pastors see what their staff are looking for in the...
MH151 3 Keys to Being a Pastor With a Side Hustle
July 25, 2022 19:07 - 56 minutes - 51.3 MBIf you want to have a side hustle, but have been unsure how to navigate that as a pastor, this episode is for you. Pastor Matt returns in this episode and we talk about how we have both navigated having side hustles while being in full-time ministry. We share the 3 primary keys we think you need to keep in mind in order to make sure you do both well and your side hustle doesn't interfere with your calling as a pastor. ***Go on a getaway for free! Follow this link and discover where you can...
MH150 Why Pastors Need A Content Business
July 20, 2022 19:13 - 28 minutes - 25.9 MBYou have your skills, abilities, training, experiences, and education and you are ready to begin a business that serves others and brings in extra income. Where do you start? The best place for a pastor and ministry leader to start building their extra stream of income is with a content business. It makes the whole process easier, natural, and it is easy on the budget. In this episode, I am going to unpack what a content business looks like and the steps you need to take to get launched. ...
MH149 Welcoming People to Church Post-Pandemic
July 18, 2022 19:09 - 49 minutes - 45 MBDo you want more guests to turn into regular attenders, but you are finding that things aren't working the way they used to in a post-pandemic world? Well, in this episode I invite Pastor Matt Wazbinski onto the podcast to talk about welcoming guests in a post-pandemic world. Pastor Matt talks through how things have changed for him in his role as he oversees guests, the Sunday morning experience, and moving people from guests to regular attenders. He also pulls back the curtain on their Bac...
MH148 This Tool Beats Social Media Engagement Every Day
July 11, 2022 19:11 - 22 minutes - 20.7 MB***Go on a getaway for free! Follow this link and discover where you can plan your free getaway https://brandonpardekooper.com/freegetaway. *** Are you frustrated with dealing with social media sites and running ads? Do you question whether or not they are effective and worth the amount of time you are putting into using them? Increasing engagement on social media can be a powerful engagement strategy, and using ads on Facebook or some other social media site can increase your community's ...
MH147 3 Reasons Small Groups Aren't Great for Discipleship
July 06, 2022 19:07 - 27 minutes - 25 MB***Go on a getaway for free! Follow this link and discover where you can plan your free getaway https://brandonpardekooper.com/freegetaway. *** Do you have an effective small group community, but you are still not satisfied with the spiritual depth of your congregants? In this episode, we are going to look at why small groups are not developing the spiritual depth we want them to, and why they most likely never will in most church settings. Then, we are going to look at what the answer is ...
MH146 3 Secrets to Managing Congregant Expectations
June 20, 2022 20:04 - 30 minutes - 27.5 MBEveryone in your congregation has expectations for you as the pastor. That doesn't mean you need to meet all those expectations. In fact, you and I both know you can't meet them all. So, what do you do to keep from disappointing people? I have three secrets you can implement into your leadership style and church culture that will not only keep you from disappointing your congregants but will raise their satisfaction level and make them trust you even more. All while failing to meet their ex...
MH145 #1 Mistake I made Building My Business
June 17, 2022 19:07 - 21 minutes - 19.7 MBWhen I started my business in 2018 I made a lot of mistakes that led to me not getting it off the ground very successfully. One mistake, though, stands out from the rest that held me back for at least two years. In this episode, I want to show you how you can avoid my one mistake and get your side hustle, business, or income stream off on the right foot. This means you will get to where you want to be faster and probably be more successful than me at an earlier stage. By the way, check o...
MH144 3 Paths You Don't Want to Be On As a Pastor
June 15, 2022 19:13 - 28 minutes - 25.9 MBAs pastors and ministry leaders, we are faced with incredible challenges, pressures, and obstacles as well as blessed by all the amazing things we have the opportunity to witness as we lead people in a relationship with Jesus. What we don't always realize is that we are on a path leading somewhere, and if we aren't careful, the path we are on can be great for the church, the community, and the people in our congregations while being detrimental and even debilitating for us as individuals. ...
MH143 Create Margin in Your Time and Finances Today
June 13, 2022 19:13 - 16 minutes - 15.2 MBToday is the day!!! The doors are open and the Dream Life in Ministry Cohort is available!!! If you are a pastor or ministry leader looking for more time and finances while also growing your church and ministry, then this cohort is for you. Together, we are going to change the way ministry is done and make sure we are living a fulfilling lifestyle where we spend time with our families, travel, and enjoy our hobbies. THIS WEEK ONLY WE ARE GOING TO OFFER A FOUNDER'S PRICE FOR THOSE WHO JOIN...
MH142 After 25 Years, We Are Ready to Go
June 10, 2022 19:11 - 22 minutes - 20.3 MBIt has been a long time coming, and after several months of prepping and 25 years of God getting me ready, we are on the precipice of opening the doors to the Dream Life in Ministry Cohort. In today's episode, I want to show you how we got here and how my journey over the last 25 years is going to pay off for you. How what God has done in me is going to allow you to revolutionize your ministry and your life, giving you the margin in your time and in your finances while at the same time all...
MH141 3 Ways to Make Your Church Experiences Engaging
June 08, 2022 19:11 - 32 minutes - 29.8 MBWe live in an experience-first culture and that translates into our churches. When people come to our services, small groups, events, and any other interaction with us, we want them to have a wonderful experience that keeps them coming back week after week. Engaging experiences don't have to be expensive or take a lot of time to prepare. In fact, in this episode, I am going to give you three ways to make your experiences engaging without eating up all your time and resources. ***The Dream ...
MH140 3 Reasons to Change Your Discipleship Model
June 06, 2022 21:00 - 28 minutes - 26.4 MB***The Dream Life in Ministry Cohort is opening soon: In a couple of short weeks, this cohort for pastors will open for the first time. It will change how pastors approach ministry. As a founding member, you will discover the framework that is key to living your dream life. You will be able to claim your personal life again and make a greater ministry impact. Be the first to learn when the doors open by going to https://brandonpardekooper.com/freegetaway/. When you do, you will not only rece...
MH139 How I Know God has Called You to Greatness
June 03, 2022 19:07 - 24 minutes - 22.6 MB***The Dream Life in Ministry Cohort is opening soon: In a couple of short weeks, this cohort for pastors will open for the first time. It will change how pastors approach ministry. As a founding member, you will discover the framework that is key to living your dream life. You will be able to claim your personal life again and make a greater ministry impact. Be the first to learn when the doors open by going to https://brandonpardekooper.com/freegetaway/. When you do, you will not only rece...
MH138 When Winning Causes You to Lose in Ministry
June 01, 2022 19:07 - 32 minutes - 29.6 MB***Dream Life in Ministry Cohort: In a couple of short weeks I am going to open the doors to the Dream Life in Ministry Cohort. This is a cohort for pastors to help them design their own personal dream lives while also learning how to build a more effective team, increase engagement at your church, and design streams of income. If you want to be the first to know when the doors open, just go to https://brandonpardekooper.com/freegetaway/. When you do, you will not only receive my list of 10 ...
MH137 #1 Ministry Hack to Get More Sermon Engagement
May 27, 2022 19:07 - 22 minutes - 20.6 MB***Dream Life in Ministry Cohort: In a couple of short weeks I am going to open the doors to the Dream Life in Ministry Cohort. This is a cohort for pastors to help them design their own personal dream lives while also learning how to build a more effective team, increase engagement at your church, and design streams of income. If you want to be the first to know when the doors open, just go to https://brandonpardekooper.com/freegetaway/. When you do, you will not only receive my list of 10 ...
MH136 The Secret to Influencing Peers
May 25, 2022 19:05 - 26 minutes - 24.2 MBWhat do you do when you have to lead your peers, but they are under no obligation to follow you. We can't rely on our position, we have no leverage, and we don't hold transactional control over them. So, how do we influence our peers, coworkers, and teammates even though they are not obligated to follow us? Well, in this episode I am going to show you the secret to influencing your peers, getting them to follow you, and showing to your pastor you are capable of leading people even when the...