Gail Song Bantum and Brian Bantum join us on the podcast today. Gail is the Lead Pastor of Quest Church in Seattle and Brian is a Professor of Theology at Garrett Seminary. We spend some time talking about what it's like for Gail to be a woman leading a church, about Brian's work on the Mulatto Jesus, and then we get into creating space for mutual flourishing in marriage. They share with us a bit of what that journey has looked like for them and share insights that they've learned about how we might create space for each partner to be able to flourish in our marriages. 


Check out their new book Choosing Us


And find them at The Bantum Space


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