Today Boudi Maassen (psychotherapist) and I talk to Blue Phillips, former General in the Army, about how he has used adventure training to prepare soldiers for adversity, to build resilience, and extend the stress threshold. These challenging group situations mimic society at large where those who are doing well are required not to show off but to show care for those who need a helping hand. Blue tells a great story about a shy, young Aboriginal lady whose natural leadership skills blossomed in a dangerous white water rafting expedition. Boudi talks about debriefing as a pot of gold and how older men can have enormous relevance through sharing their insights and volunteering.