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Kitchen Table Cult Pod

149 episodes - English - Latest episode: 26 days ago - ★★★★★ - 157 ratings

Kitchen Table Cult unpacks all the things Kieryn and Eve learned at the kitchen tables of their childhoods in conservative Christian homeschooling families. Every week we take your questions and drill down on various topics about Quiverfull, the Religious Right, and our childhoods in high-demand groups (otherwise known as cults).

We’re not surprised about the rise of Trump, Christian fascism, or evangelical white women voting for someone like Mike Pence, and we want to take you back through the beginning of it all to explain why.

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S4 E1: Lularich with Meg Conley

October 07, 2021 20:54 - 55 minutes - 37.9 MB

Kieryn and Eve chat with Meg Conley of Homeculture to discuss the missing pieces of the Lularich documentary, the intricacies of Mormonism, and why MLMs are so popular. Show Notes: https://annehelen.substack.com/p/what-got-left-out-of-lularich https://twitter.com/_megconley https://www.megconley.com/

S3 E14: Interview with Sheila Wray Gregoire

September 02, 2021 19:00 - 56 minutes - 38.9 MB

Kieryn and Eve chat with the author of The Great Sex Rescue, Sheila Wray Gregoire to discuss leaving behind the toxicity of purity culture while still practicing Christianity, and why she's in a fight with Focus on the Family. Show Notes: https://sheilawraygregoire.com/ Bare Marriage Podcast https://tolovehonorandvacuum.com http://fuckingtranswomen.org/

S3 E13: Awanas and Olympics with Teresa

August 12, 2021 17:10 - 47 minutes - 32.5 MB

Eve and Kieryn are joined by Teresa to talk about Awanas, the Olympics, and the isolation of homeschooled athletes. Find Teresa on instagram - https://www.instagram.com/polkadotishly/

S3 E12: Behind Blue Curtains with Molly Maeve Eagan

August 05, 2021 10:00 - 55 minutes - 37.9 MB

Kieryn and Eve chat with Behind Blue Curtains co-author Molly Maeve Eagan about the book and how high control religious groups groom children for abuse and keep them quiet about it with shame once they become adults. CN: talking about Child Sexual Assault Show Notes: Twitter: @LizzHershberger Twitter: @CPTSDRecovery Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LizzyHershbergerAuthor Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BehindBlueCurtainsbook Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FindingMaeve/ Instagram: @...

S3 E11: Christian Zionism Part 2 with Aidan Orly and Marisa Siegel

July 22, 2021 10:00 - 1 hour - 51.9 MB

Following up on our conversation with Amy Fallas and Garrison Davis (https://soundcloud.com/kitchentablecult/s3-e8-zionism-with-amy-fallas-and-garrison-davis) about Palestine and Zionism, Kieryn and Eve take a closer look at the complex legacy of Zionism with Aidan Orly of PRA http://www.politicalresearch.org/bio/aidan-orly // https://twitter.com/aidanorly and Marisa Siegel of The Rumpus https://therumpus.net/ //https://twitter.com/marisasaystweet and what it feels like to be a Jewish person ...

S3 E10: Free Britney

July 15, 2021 10:00 - 50 minutes - 35 MB

Kieryn and Eve discuss Britney Spears' testimony and why it hit so close to home. Show Notes: https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhw4BlhaGlg https://www.vox.com/culture/22350286/2000s-pop-culture-misogyny-britney-spears-janet-jackson-whitney-houston-monica-lewinsky https://jezebel.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-pop-star-purity-ring-1822170318 https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/07/10555257/britney...

S3 E9: Jesus and John Wayne with Kristin Du Mez

June 23, 2021 17:27 - 48 minutes - 33.2 MB

Eve and Kieryn are joined by Kristin Du Mez to talk about her book, Jesus and John Wayne and the history of how radical right wing evangelicals came to power. **SHOW NOTES** Follow Krsitin: https://twitter.com/kkdumez Get the Book: https://bookshop.org/books/jesus-and-john-wayne-how-white-evangelicals-corrupted-a-faith-and-fractured-a-nation-9781631499050/9781631495731

S3 E8: Zionism with Amy Fallas and Garrison Davis

June 09, 2021 18:31 - 1 hour - 41.8 MB

Why is it suddenly more mainstream/acceptable to be pro-Palestine, when just a couple years ago it was extremely unpopular politically on the Left? Kieryn and Eve are joined by MENA scholar (Amy Fallas, PhD candidate at UCSB) and Garrison Davis (PDX uprising reporter + organizer) to talk about the theology behind Christian support of Zionism and also the political history that drives this conflict. Show notes: A toolkit for countering Christian Zionism: https://countercufi.yuvi.in/ A proje...

S3 E8: Christian Zionism with Amy Fallas and Garrison Davis

June 09, 2021 18:31 - 1 hour - 41.8 MB

Why is it suddenly more mainstream/acceptable to be pro-Palestine, when just a couple years ago it was extremely unpopular politically on the Left? Kieryn and Eve are joined by MENA scholar (Amy Fallas, PhD candidate at UCSB) and Garrison Davis (PDX uprising reporter + organizer) to talk about the theology behind Christian support of Zionism and also the political history that drives this conflict. Show notes: A toolkit for countering Christian Zionism: https://countercufi.yuvi.in/ A proje...

S3E7: Purity Culture & Josh Duggar with Tori Glass

June 03, 2021 10:00 - 1 hour - 41.4 MB

Kieryn and Eve are joined by Tori Glass to discuss how purity culture grooms children for abuse of all kinds, white supremacy, consent, and gentle parenting. Show Notes: Homeschooled Children's Bill of Rights https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/bill-of-rights/

S3 E6 (NSFW!): Letters to Our Future Ex-Spouses

April 15, 2021 13:00 - 2 hours - 85 MB

2 hour special! Eve and Kieryn talk about Purity Culture & Sex Addiction, Masturbation, and the nitty gritty of how Bottom Surgery works. This episode is extremely NSFW! CN: talking about sex/abuse/religion (and also joy). If you don't like descriptions of medical processes skip from 3:19 - 8:16. Contribute to Kieryn's surgery fund (leave a note or a peach/cat emoji): Paypal/Venmo/Ko-Fi: MxDarkwater, Square Cash: $kieryn (Kieryn's twitter is @/BluePupBoi)

S3 After Dark Drunk History: King David

March 26, 2021 17:02 - 1 hour - 45.8 MB

DRUNK HISTORY. Kieryn and Eve educate the lovely AE Osworth about King David's shenanigans.

S3 After Dark Drunk History: King David with AE Osworth

March 26, 2021 17:02 - 1 hour - 45.8 MB

DRUNK HISTORY. Kieryn and Eve educate the lovely AE Osworth about King David's shenanigans.

S3 E5: Everyone has a Water Buffalo

March 11, 2021 01:12 - 58 minutes - 40.3 MB

This week Kieryn and Eve needed a palate cleanser. Tune in for Veggie Tales jokes, some reality tv gossip, an upcoming KTC Patrons event, and catching up. CW for CSA in church discussion. **Notes** Kieryn's Play (on VOD until 3/15): https://vimeo.com/ondemand/lgbtqshortplaysgroupc Street Parking is Homophobic: https://bancars69.bigcartel.com/ Junior Asparagus v Abraham Piper: https://twitter.com/jeremiahjw/status/1367891730217857025 YouTube Veggie Tales playlist: https://www.youtube.com/...

S3E3: 1776 Commission with Dr. Rachel Coleman

February 24, 2021 19:07 - 1 hour - 53.5 MB

Kieryn and Eve are joined by Historian and Executive Director of the Coalition for Responsible Home Education, Dr. Rachel Coleman to dive into the 1776 Commission Report and what it meant. This episode was recorded in January right after it was published and then subsequently removed with the new Biden admin. :)

S3E4: 1776 Commission with Dr. Rachel Coleman

February 24, 2021 19:07 - 1 hour - 53.5 MB

Kieryn and Eve are joined by Historian and Executive Director of the Coalition for Responsible Home Education, Dr. Rachel Coleman to dive into the 1776 Commission Report and what it meant. This episode was recorded in January right after it was published and then subsequently removed with the new Biden admin. :)

S3E3: Leaving isn't the Hardest thing with Lauren Hough

February 10, 2021 21:22 - 1 hour - 45.6 MB

Lauren Hough (@laurenthehough) joins Kieryn and Eve to talk about her brilliant debut book, Leaving Isn't The Hardest Thing (April 2021), a collection of essays about what life has been like after being raised in the cult group Children of God. Spanning her time in the air force to working in DC nightlife to her viral essay about being the cable guy, Lauren's essays focus on learning to live, to thrive, after a stolen childhood and refuse the voyeurism that cult survivors are often subjected ...

S3E2: From the Moon I Watched Her, with Emily English Medley

January 28, 2021 17:46 - 1 hour - 46.7 MB

Kieryn and Eve interview Emily English Medley about her book, "From the Moon I Watched Her." An incredibly relatable story about a young woman growing up in the [hushed voice] Church of Christ. CN: Discussion about religious trauma and childhood sexual abuse. Get the book everywhere books are sold and find out more at https://emilyenglishmedley.com/

Astrology Bonus Episode

January 14, 2021 23:52 - 25 minutes - 35.5 MB

Nate does an example reading with Kieryn and Eve!

S3 E1: In Case of End Times, Bring Shofar.

January 14, 2021 22:03 - 1 hour - 53.9 MB

Kieryn and Eve decompress about the first coup attempt with everyone's favorite socialist dog mom (socialistdogmom on twitter), Molly Conger! Find out what it was like to be in DC during the attack, discuss some of the religious imagery and hypothesize about why there were so many Shofars around. Notes: https://sojo.net/articles/they-invaded-capitol-saying-jesus-my-savior-trump-my-president https://religionunplugged.com/news/2021/1/6/some-history-behind-the-christian-flags-at-the-pro-trump...

S2 E31: Go Home 2020, You're Drunk

December 11, 2020 19:37 - 1 hour - 49.3 MB

For the last episode of the year and the last episode of Season 2, Kieryn and Eve talk about plans for the future of the podcast, recap 2020, plot 2020 Apocalypse Bingo, and talk astrology.

S2 E30: Madison Cawthorn runs for worst PHCer ever with Abby Osbourne

October 27, 2020 23:40 - 1 hour - 43.8 MB

Patrick Henry College dropout Madison Cawthorn is running for Congress in NC 11, but PHC alumni are turning out to protest his candidacy. Abby Osbourne joins Kieryn and Eve to discuss why.

S2 E30: Madison Cawthorn runs for worst PHCer ever

October 27, 2020 23:40 - 1 hour - 43.8 MB

Patrick Henry College dropout Madison Cawthorn is running for Congress in NC 11, but PHC alumni are turning out to protest his candidacy. Abby Osbourne joins Kieryn and Eve to discuss why.

S2 E29: Amy Coney Barrett

October 16, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 61.5 MB

Kieryn and Eve catch up after a brutal September to talk about Amy Coney Barrett's nomination and how the religious right is explaining a woman's rise to power. This is not the Handmaid's tale, but it's not good either. Show Notes: https://fee.org/articles/vandalism-is-violence-destructive-riots-are-not-just-property-damage/ https://fee.org/articles/human-rights-are-property-rights/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/05/how-strong-women-like-amy-coney-barrett-submit-to-their-husbands-with-...

S2 E28: Interview with Jaelani Turner-Williams

September 04, 2020 10:00 - 54 minutes - 37.6 MB

For Bitch Magazine's Fall 2020 Power Issue, Jaelani Turner-Williams (https://twitter.com/hernameisjae)wrote about how crisis homeschooling this fall might benefit Black and brown students in unexpected ways. Kieryn and Eve discuss with Jaelani her vision of a better future where education is equitable and centered on the individual needs of students. Show Notes: Jaelani's twitter: @hernameisjae Bitch Magazine article: https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/homeschooling-black-girls-learn-in-peac...

S2 E27: Betsy Devos Part 2

August 28, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 62.1 MB

In a follow up on the first episode on Betsy DeVos, Kieryn and Eve are joined by listener Kristin to hear about her experience as a public school educator during the reign of DeVos. What has changed? What's been the impact of those changes? What should we be looking out for this fall? Show Notes: Research: http://bit.ly/devosnotes follow Kristin: https://twitter.com/musicalgal123

S2 E26: Betsy Devos Part 1

August 13, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 55.8 MB

Kieryn and Eve discuss Devos' history and relationship to HSLDA to begin understanding what her recent attack on public education means and why HSLDA isn't fighting against the free government money they are notorious for hating. Hint: It's not good. Show Notes: Fact Sheet on the Devos Plan https://www.ncpecoalition.org/trump-voucher-plan Kushner's COVID plan https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/how-jared-kushners-secret-testing-plan-went-poof-into-thin-air True Believer https://www....

S2 E25: Ask a (formerly) Homeschooling Parent

July 29, 2020 04:09 - 56 minutes - 51.3 MB

Kieryn and Eve are joined by special guest, Eileen (Eve's mom!) to answer questions about homeschooling through COVID19, how to handle periods of estrangement, and the importance of relationships with your kids. Note from Kieryn: Hi today I was your audio producer, so you may notice some echos and weird sound residue, this is because I'm not a professional just covering for one on vacation. :3 Sorry about the weird feedback. Dave will be back soon! Show Notes: CRHE Home Educators Course: ...

S2 E24: Transphobia Across the Aisles

July 17, 2020 16:00 - 1 hour - 65.8 MB

Kieryn and Eve are joined by special guest kitten, Lavender, to discuss the current manifestations of transphobia from Menlo Park church to JK Rowling. CW's apply. Show Notes: Sponsor Eve's book writing summer (venmo @haettinger) Menlo Park Timeline: https://ruthhutchins.com/post/menlo-church-john-ortberg-timeline/ CRHE Home Educators Course: https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/courses/ Kiesha Preston! http://www.votekieshapreston.com/

S2 E23: Fertility Maximalists

June 19, 2020 05:12 - 1 hour - 67.3 MB

Kieryn and Eve catch up on all the non-plague related happenings. Tune in to hear about the rediscovery of Quiverfull in retaliation to the SCOTUS' ruling on discrimination protections for queer employees, venting about healthcare, and catching up with Jerry Falwell. Notes: https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2020/06/08/liberty-universitys-jerry-falwell-issues-3-tweet-apology-for-controversial-mask-tweet/ https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevin-deyoung/its-time-for-a-new-culture-war-st...

S2 E22: The Salvation Army and Human Trafficking

May 22, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 55.2 MB

Kieryn and Eve are back and dive into the Salvation Army's impact in Human Trafficking and how christian NGO's operations can be more harmful than helpful. Notes: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/america-doesnt-need-any-more-awareness-about-human-trafficking_n_5e3d8bedc5b6bb0ffc1007ec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Maiden_Tribute_of_Modern_Babylon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Armstrong_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Law_Amendment_Act_1885 https://s3.amazonaws.com/ca...

S2 E21: Samaritan's Purse and Apocalypse Bingo

April 22, 2020 10:00 - 50 minutes - 52.5 MB

The stars and the wifi aligned and Kieryn and Eve return to talk about coping with COVID19 isolation, and take a peek into why Samaritan's Purse (and other religious aid organizations) are on the scene and how their religious beliefs may hurt the people they're purportedly supposed to help.

KTC Reads Short Stories: The Tell-Tale Heart

March 30, 2020 23:09 - 11 minutes - 8 MB

In lieu of a full episode, Kieryn Reads the Tell-Tale Heart Read it yourself: https://www.poemuseum.org/the-tell-tale-heart

S2 E20: The Government is Homeschooling Us Now

March 16, 2020 19:30 - 48 minutes - 33.2 MB

In this episode Kieryn and Eve discuss what the pandemic feels like after growing up in an environment where this level of panic was normal, and provide tips for surviving social distancing and working from home. WASH YOUR HANDS! Emergency Homeschooling Resource page: https://crhe.org/COVID

S2 E19: Elsie Dinsmore

March 03, 2020 11:00 - 58 minutes - 40.3 MB

Eve and Kieryn discuss Martha Finley's Elsie Dinsmore books and why christians aren't appalled at Roy Moore and other right wing leaders' abusive histories. NOTES: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2017/11/child-marriage-in-elsie-dinsmore-part-1.html https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2017/11/child-marriage-in-elsie-dinsmore-part-2.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2017/11/fundamentalist-home-schoolers-are-one-group-of-roy-moore-allies-who-think-grown-men-courti...

S2 E18: ADHD and the fear-motivated brain with Dr. Rachel J. Hunt

February 14, 2020 11:00 - 1 hour - 46.3 MB

Eve and Kieryn are leaning into brain science this week! Joined by Neurosurgeon, Dr. Rachel J Hunt (https://twitter.com/racheljoyhunt) to discuss what having ADHD and CPTSD feels like, as well the science behind these conditions and the importance of Dopamine and Basal Ganglia in motivating yourself to action.

S2 E17: Looking for Signs from God with Emily VanDerWerff

February 07, 2020 11:00 - 1 hour - 62.4 MB

Kieryn and Eve are joined by Emily VanDerWerff from Vox and the Arden Podcast to discuss how the superstitional charismatic practice of seeking signs from God affected their life trajectories. Notes: Follow Emily: https://twitter.com/tvoti, https://twitter.com/ardenpod! https://www.vox.com/authors/emily-todd-vanderwerff

S2 E16: Spiritual Warefare Part 1

January 31, 2020 11:00 - 1 hour - 44.1 MB

Kieryn and Eve talk about Florida's HB 1059, Richmond's Gun Lobby Day, and Paula White's...prayer. Notes: Kieryn's Patreon: https://patreon.com/kiery Eve at Vice: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/epgzbj/gun-rights-rally-richmond-virginia-hostage CHRE Press Release on Florida Legislation: https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/alumni-group-warns-hb-1059-could-invalidate-floridas-homeschool-law/ Paula White: Financial investigation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_inquiry_...

S2 E15: Relitigating Luke P; No Roses for Scrubs

January 17, 2020 11:00 - 1 hour - 42.3 MB

Kieryn and Eve get sent on a rabbit trail to the Paul and Morgan show, and Eve pivots to do a cold take on wtf was up with Luke P and Hannah Brown on last season's Bachelorette. Why did he think he was so entitled? Why couldn't she bear to send him home when she should have?

S2 E14: The Conspiracy is Real 7 part 2; Matt Shea Continued

January 08, 2020 07:59 - 1 hour - 47.9 MB

In Part 2, Kieryn and Eve discuss Shea's alleged 2nd Manifesto, "Restoration", and explain how strangely Roman and not-biblical it is, for a work supposedly based on the bible. CN for discussion of racism, homophobia, child abuse, and general nazi-ism still applies. Show Notes: Restoration text: https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2019/dec/19/matt-sheas-restoration/ Rushdoony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._J._Rushdoony Part of the Patriot Movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_m...

S2 E13: The Conspiracy is Real 7 Part 1; Matt Shea

January 02, 2020 08:00 - 49 minutes - 33.8 MB

Eve and Kieryn tear into Matt Shea's "Biblical Basis for War" and deconstruct what some of it means within the context of Shea's worldview. CN for racism, white supremacy, queermisia, and general nazism-disguised-as-theology shenanigans SHOW NOTES: Independent Report: http://houserepublicans.wa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/RampartGroupReport.pdf Biblical Basis for War: https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2018/oct/25/biblical-basis-war/ Restoration: https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2...

S2E12: A Present Vote

December 23, 2019 11:00 - 1 hour - 43.1 MB

Kieryn and Eve discuss Christianity Today's call for impeachment along with Tulsi Gabbard's lack of vote. They dive into the details of what it would look like to grow up in a religious and politically active cult and never leave. Show Notes: Donate to CRHE! https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/donate Christianity Today: - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html Tulsi's Statement: - https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1207...

S2 E11: The Conspiracy is Real Part 6; Metaxas

December 06, 2019 11:01 - 1 hour - 58.3 MB

Kieryn and Eve discuss Eric Metaxas' children's books, explain the story of David and Bathsheba, and answer some listener questions! Show Notes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Metaxas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King%27s_College_(New_York_City) https://mxdarkwater.com/2010/10/08/the-burden-of-homeschool-parents/

S2 E10: The Movies That Hit Home

November 22, 2019 11:00 - 55 minutes - 38.1 MB

Kieryn and Eve are back with a much needed palate cleanser episode. Listen as they talk about the representation of homeschooled kids in movies and why Tangled and Frozen hit so close to home!

S2 E9: Bob Jones University with Dani Ward

November 08, 2019 11:00 - 1 hour - 44.4 MB

Kieryn and Eve are joined by Dani Ward to talk about the background and theology behind Bob Jones University (You know, the white supremacist school that went to SCOTUS to try to stop integration and lost but didn't let interracial couples date until the 00s). CN for abuse and discussion of racist ideology in christian fundamentalism. Notes: - https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/hate-groups-funding-tax-code - https://www.oyez.org/cases/1982/81-3 - https://newrepublic.com/minutes/140724/bob-jo...

S2 E9: Bob Jones University

November 08, 2019 11:00 - 1 hour - 44.4 MB

Kieryn and Eve are joined by Dani Ward to talk about the background and theology behind Bob Jones University (You know, the white supremacist school that went to SCOTUS to try to stop integration and lost but didn't let interracial couples date until the 00s). CN for abuse and discussion of racist ideology in christian fundamentalism. Notes: - https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/hate-groups-funding-tax-code - https://www.oyez.org/cases/1982/81-3 - https://newrepublic.com/minutes/140724/bob-jo...

S2 E8: The Conspiracy is Real Part 5; Bill Barr

November 01, 2019 10:00 - 48 minutes - 33.4 MB

Kieryn and Eve discuss Bill Barr's dominionist comments at Notre Dame, dig into his history, and what having an AG who is a theocrat means.

S2 E7: The Conspiracy is Real Part 4; Activist Judges

October 18, 2019 10:00 - 49 minutes - 33.8 MB

Kieryn and Eve dissect, translate, and refute the arguments presented at the SCOTUS hearing on Oct 8th. TW for discussion of anti-trans anti-queer rhetoric. NOTES: https://www.mediamatters.org/washington-post/family-research-council-terrible-and-its-president-tony-perkins-just-got-appointed https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/family-research-council http://blog.adflegal.org/detailspages/blog-details/allianceedge/2019/10/02/why-you-should-care-about-the-outcome-of...

S2 E6: The Unborns

October 02, 2019 18:56 - 55 minutes - 38.2 MB

How is miscarriage handled in the extremely pro-life communities Kieryn and Eve grew up in? What's the theological basis for those scary heartbeat bills? TW: Graphic descriptions of stillbirth/bodies/blood. show notes: https://aboverubies.org/index.php/2013-11-12-17-55-51/english-language/miscarriage/965-miscarriage-miscarriage-or-abortion https://aboverubies.org/index.php/2013-11-12-17-55-51/english-language/miscarriage/1043-miscarriage-a-privilege https://aboverubies.org/index.php/2013-...

S2 E5: The Conspiracy is Real Part 3; Tim Echols

September 27, 2019 12:00 - 59 minutes - 40.6 MB

Tim Echols, the GA Public Service Commissioner put his name in the hat for the US Senate Appointment. Kieryn and Eve explain who he is, what he believes, and where this fits in the puzzle.

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