Are we measuring what really matters? In this episode Daniel Hain and I chat with Juan Mateos-Garcia, Director of Innovation Mapping at Nesta, UK. We discuss old and new types of indicators, recent developments driven by better data availability and novel techniques powered by machine learning. We also get to the "so what?-question" and how we could rethink innovation performance and redesign innovation indicators to better inform research and innovation policies to tackle some of the biggest social and environmental challenges to there.


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