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Influential SHE Podcast

74 episodes - English - Latest episode: over 2 years ago - ★★★★★ - 27 ratings

Influential women’s voices are best highlighted through the rich stories they tell. The Talismanic Ten come alive through storytelling. Influential SHE podcasts will help you think deeper about high leverage practices that can help accelerate your influence!

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Leveraging Story with Jenny Q & Myshkin Warbler

February 24, 2022 06:00 - 37 minutes - 25.7 MB

In 2014 Jenny became dramatically ill, fighting sepsis for her life.  Losing both legs below the knees, five fingers and multiple organs, enduring well over fifty surgeries and rising above opioid withdrawal, her story is one of always making the choice to step into life.  This is her tale shared through the voice of her beloved wife Myshkin, about how woven strands of support showed up from around the world to hold them when all seemed lost.  Jenny and Myshkin will inspire all with their li...

Leveraging Voice with Susan Young

February 10, 2022 06:00 - 51 minutes - 35.7 MB

It’s your worst nightmare - learning that your fifteen-year-old daughter has been sex trafficked right under your nose for 1 ½ years.  Susan brings voice to this incredible horror that shattered her entire family.  Her compelling story will open the eyes of all to understand that it can happen anywhere, at any time, to any family.  With incredible strength and courage, she and her husband took this “living death”, and started to piece their  family back together.  All will be inspired by how...

I She in Ten - Ep8

January 13, 2022 06:00 - 10 minutes - 7.1 MB

Why in the world did we (Deb and Mel) start Influential She in the first place?  We took a hard look at what existed to unleash the crazy good influence of women and came up wanting.  So we simply decided to do something about it,  And the result?  An incredible podcast journey where nuggets of wisdom are shared by kickass women.  Join in and be inspired to live your best life!

Leveraging Self with Erleigh Wiley

January 06, 2022 06:00 - 38 minutes - 26.6 MB

With values mentored by her ‘force of nature’ mother Fern, she is clear-eyed about who she is and how she belongs in every room.  As a judge, wife, mom and community leader, she had the courage to step into the District Attorney role after two professional prosecutors were slain in cold blood for doing their jobs.  As author of memoir Target on My Back, be inspired by how her strong sense of self gave the confidence to step into the sphere of danger before the killer was identified or appreh...

Leveraging Doing with Cynthia Newberry Martin

December 02, 2021 06:00 - 41 minutes - 28.5 MB

As a novelist and woman living on her deepest heart terms, she shares how important it is to “decide what you want and take a step toward it.”  When the world pressures how life should be, Cynthia will inspire all by her “doing” built around being separate and together.    Cynthia Newberry Martin writes novels about marriage.  About how characters navigate between separateness and togetherness.  About how they balance the need for both time to themselves and time together.  About what compr...

Leveraging Connection with Grace Koh

November 18, 2021 06:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MB

The daughter of Korean immigrants, she lives up to her namesake in fostering influential connections.  From negotiating D.C. “food fights” to being present and courageous when conversations are difficult, she will inspire all to grow in the skill of connection.  Through her story-telling Grace uncovers how implicit connection has always been in her life, and now claims it as truly explicit and a  driver for her authentic place in the world.  Grace Koh is the Vice-President of Legislative Af...

Leveraging Doing with Hailey Steele

November 04, 2021 05:00 - 46 minutes - 32.1 MB

As a singer/songwriter, she began massive ‘doing’ at a very young age.  Sharing “I’m a go-getter, a chaser, a pursuer, a doer and will always stand up for myself”, Hailey talks about how hard and painful it can be to get going when others try to hold you back.  This not-to-miss podcast - with a surprise at the end -  will inspire you to quiet  the “committee in your head”, and get busy doing. Hailey Steele was raised in a no-stoplight town in South Dakota. She started performing at an early...

Leveraging Self with Charlyn Stanberry

October 21, 2021 05:00 - 38 minutes - 26.6 MB

Raised by four generations of influential women, at an early age Char developed confidence in truly being her authentic self.  And yet, as she shares, being true to yourself is not always an easy path when “many times it means going against the grain and making unpopular decisions.”  In this podcast Charlyn gets real about how vulnerable you can feel when claiming your rebel within! Charlyn Stanberry is the Vice President of Government Relations for the National Association of Broadcasters....

Leveraging Voice with Lori Walsh

October 07, 2021 05:00 - 47 minutes - 32.9 MB

 As a radio host who has interviewed more than 6000 guests on-air, Lori claims she found her voice by being a ‘pro-eavesdropper’.  In this not-to-miss podcast, she shares the incredible influence of deep listening where we can discover the similarities of humanity that exist between us.  Lori’s wisdom of “You’re never going to be ready to fully use your voice” will inspire all to want to do exactly that.   Lori Byers Walsh is the host and lead producer of In the Moment, South Dakota Public ...

Leveraging ‘What Is’ with Kristin Strobel

September 16, 2021 05:00 - 37 minutes - 25.5 MB

When faced with barriers of age, gender and looks - once being told “You’re in the room to improve the view” - she simply rolled up her sleeves and built integrity through hard work and grit.  She shares how important it is to read the landscape, stay objective and build relationships based on common ground.  Not letting ‘what is’ get in her way, Kristin will inspire all to move beyond the truth of the matter. Kristin is a Principal in State Advocacy and Appropriations with BGR, a bipartisa...

Leveraging Voice with Angela Jerabek

September 02, 2021 05:00 - 35 minutes - 24.7 MB

From school counselor to founder and leader of a national education center, Angie relates how she became the voice and not the echo, thus realizing her dreams for a creative and innovative life.  She shares how to truly mature voice to accelerate influence, “The power of my work has come from honing in to hear others’ voices.”   Angie will inspire all to “Be a voice that people can follow, recognizing you’re blazing a way for others to have their voices be lifted up.” Angela Jerabek is the ...

Leveraging Perspicaciousness with Anne Wicks

August 12, 2021 05:00 - 35 minutes - 24.6 MB

A national champion volleyball player from Stanford and now part of the George W. Bush Institute, Anne gets into how difficult it is to be perspicacious with chaos in the world.  When events and connections are almost too much to take in, rising to curiosity can provide focus and a way forward.   Sharing “We’re all getting kicked in the teeth”, Anne highlights the togetherness of our  world, and how humility and stopping to think can help us connect the dots of our own experiences.  Anne Wi...

Leveraging Story with Molly Weisgram

July 29, 2021 05:00 - 44 minutes - 30.5 MB

A raw and emotional podcast, Molly shares her story of facing the unimaginable when her husband suddenly becomes a quadriplegic on a ventilator in a matter of days with no promise of a full recovery.  With a career and mom with four children, she shares the anger that fueled her ability to keep moving forward, and how the trauma and horror helped her discover that she was so much stronger than she ever thought.  Molly will inspire all to keep the door open to possibility, even in the worst o...

Leveraging Connection with Megan Peppenelli, PhD

June 17, 2021 05:00 - 37 minutes - 25.9 MB

As a scientist following an untraditional path, Megan illuminates how deep connection - both with yourself and others - ultimately requires disconnect.  She shares “Living in the uncomfortable is where you grow.  And it can be a really crappy process.  When have I outgrown this thing that I’m in?”   Willing to be vulnerable about the “truth of the matter”, Megan opens up about imposter syndrome and how to move beyond what society has told you to think, or be or to do.  As a pursuer of authen...

Leveraging Perspicaciousness with Dr. Kathy Farah

May 27, 2021 05:00 - 42 minutes - 28.9 MB

As a physician pioneer certified in cranio-sacral therapy and mind/body/ spirit medicine, she has truly connected the dots about what it means to heal a whole person.  Embracing the unusual power to comprehend and act on that which may be puzzling or hidden to others, Dr. Kathy has become expert in so many areas such as the freeze response in stress and how held memories and historical trauma affect the body.  She’s a gracious powerhouse who has done the mind shift for herself that has led t...

I She in Ten - Ep7

May 06, 2021 05:00 - 10 minutes - 7.52 MB

The High Leverage Practice of As If moves way beyond the tired adage of “fake it til you make it”. This practice is about acknowledging the yearning gap - the space between where you are and where you want to be.  It’s exhausting. But even when placebound, no one has to give you permission to act more like the person you want to be. This episode is about “proceeding until apprehended”. And why not?  It’s where the juice is!!

Leveraging “As If” with Rae Hughart

April 15, 2021 05:00 - 39 minutes - 27.3 MB

Rae struggled mightily with special learning disabilities in math, reading and writing.  Defying all odds she has become a teacher extraordinaire, now inspiring 11 year olds in math. Sharing “If you’re going to struggle in life, then you better go out fighting hard”, Rae’s story is one of “proceeding until apprehended” and having her influence grow beyond what she ever could have imagined! Rae Hughart is a Middle Level Math Educator in Illinois, the CMO for the Teach Better Team, TEDx Speak...

Leveraging Self with Kimilu

April 01, 2021 05:00 - 41 minutes - 28.5 MB

As a woman of great courage following her heart, she relates moving from a place of feeling lost and empty to being a trailblazing first ever life coach in the Philippines.  Through her work she “found herself”, and wants that same journey for everyone.  Her gracious open-hearted sharing about becoming “present to yourself” will inspire all to know that they are more than enough, just as they are. Kimilu is a global Neuro-Linguistic Hypnotherapy Life Coach, a Reiki Master Practitioner, a Ce...

Leveraging “As If “ with Dr. Jen Gresham

March 18, 2021 05:00 - 37 minutes - 25.8 MB

As a biochemist poet, her life and career moves have been the epitome of “proceed until apprehended”.  Every career step thrust Jen into a space she didn’t feel prepared for. But she learned to embrace her vulnerabilities sharing “I’ve always trusted myself to simply figure things out.  I don’t know exactly where that comes from, but it certainly has always been there. I don’t mean to say it’s always worked out how I thought it would work out, but I trusted that something juicy would happen ...

Leveraging Doing with Sharon McMahon

March 04, 2021 06:00 - 33 minutes - 23.2 MB

The consummate “doer”, in the fall of 2020 this social studies/government teacher turned photographer kept seeing the disconnect in facts circulating about how the government works.  She decided to do something about it, and tapped into a huge hunger for the truth! In four months she became a social media sensation, and  America’s (not boring) government teacher.  Sharing “The goal is to not to try and convince people to think like me, but to try to get them to have an educated opinion if yo...

Leveraging Bio You with Dr. Deanna Minich

February 18, 2021 06:00 - 45 minutes - 31 MB

Hang onto your plates as Deanna tips “diet” on it’s head, delightfully sharing how color can change our lives, influence us, affect our feelings and alter our behavior.   Her wisdom of  “We need to expand the definition of nutrient to mean not just something in the diet that we’re eating, but it’s in the diet of what we’re feeling, it’s in the diet of what we’re thinking and reflecting,”  is spot on in how we treat ourselves to have energy to pursue our passions.  It’s time for all of us to ...

Leveraging Self with Dr. Lisa Mitchell

February 04, 2021 06:00 - 34 minutes - 23.9 MB

As a girl Lisa struggled mightily in school, until late middle school when she found something she loved and was really good at - theatre.  Sharing “I learned more about me pretending to be someone else”, Lisa talks about uncovering her true values and translating into living a juicy life with dreams for the kids of the world.  This delightful podcast is about claiming - and living - authentically.  Or as Lisa says  “We’re often told to improve things we’re bad at.  And there’s value in that...

Leveraging Story - I She Beyond the Book!

January 28, 2021 06:00 - 10 minutes - 7.08 MB

The High Leverage Practice of Story is more than just words - it’s about developing a common understanding and empathy through shared experience.  And wow, are we ever ready to move beyond virtual relationships and get back together to write some new kickass stories!  Deb and Mel share some incredible thoughts from our Story podcast guests to get us started, and announce a new groovy live event (yes virtual, sigh) happening that combines some of our favorite things - books and wine!

I She in Ten - Ep5

January 21, 2021 06:00 - 11 minutes - 7.99 MB

Influential women everywhere - time to chatter!  Now more than ever, in this unprecedented time, women need to raise their words and voices. This episode spotlights the High Leverage Practice of Voice and how important it is for women to speak, speak, speak!  Studies and surveys are chockfull of results that reveal women, as different from men, have a higher percentage in holding back the sharing of their thoughts, questions and opinions in public forums.  Deb shares her own vulnerability in...

Leveraging Possibility with Eliza Blue

January 14, 2021 06:00 - 44 minutes - 30.5 MB

From being a singer and songwriter in big cities to falling in love with a man and the land in rural America, Eliza’s story reveals one possibility after another.  She epitomizes being a “possibilist” always asking “What can we do if this is where we want to get?  How could we do a version of what could be?”  Eliza brings sparkle to this podcast through her engaging story-telling about “listening to the small voice inside that says something has to change” and knowing that is a clue to your ...

I She in Ten - Ep4

December 17, 2020 06:00 - 11 minutes - 8.11 MB

Holidays can wreak havoc with the High Leverage Practice of Bio You.  Typical “tis the season” brings both joy and stress.  Psychology experts tell us that 69% of people are stressed over the holidays, which is especially true for women when marketing messages entice perfection.  And stress can really mess with your brain and gut.  Deb and Mel offer a little 10 minute gift so you can take a breath and listen to your body in the hustle and bustle.

I She in Ten - Ep3

December 10, 2020 06:00 - 10 minutes - 7.15 MB

This episode highlights the real need for all of us to step up and accelerate the High Leverage Practice of Connection.  Alarmed by the 2020 Women in the Workplace Study by McKinsey & Co., Deb and Mel dig into the revelation that 1 in 4 women are considering downshifting or leaving their careers.  it’s been a hell of a year for women being more likely to be laid off or furloughed.  Combine that with the reality of raising a family in a now virtual world, and we’re at a crossroads of unpreced...

I She in Ten - Ep2

December 03, 2020 06:00 - 9 minutes - 6.77 MB

In this episode Deb and Mel rap about the High Leverage Practice of What Is, sharing personal stories about being a fighter and a pleaser.  They talk about how a good truth-slapping helped them see their growing up “what is” in a new light and move beyond it.  Stopping to take a good hard look at what is truly going on is a powerful influential practice of recognition, reflection and reaction. 

Leveraging Voice with Sara Kindvall

November 19, 2020 06:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MB

A podcast of raw vulnerability, Sara recounts a journey of alcohol addiction, controlling relationships with one culminating in an “intent to kill” assault.  With details that may be difficult to hear, she describes the assault, the outcome of her injuries and putting a “stake in the ground” to reclaim her voice and true self.  This podcast is a story of growth and triumph, where Sara now uses the power of her voice to inspire others to find their own. Sara Kindvall is a mom, speaker, domes...

I She in Ten - Ep1

November 12, 2020 06:00 - 9 minutes - 6.46 MB

Welcome to the inaugural episode of I She in Ten, where in 10 minutes Deb and Mel deliver nuggets of wisdom to help you accelerate your influence! In this episode we share how a powerful authentic story can propel you into the “I am having a blast” zone and tap into your best influential self.

Leveraging Self with Dr. Melita “Chepa” Rank

October 29, 2020 05:00 - 39 minutes - 27.4 MB

As a woman who grew up on a reservation being half Native American and half white, she opens up about her journey to claim herself.  Chepa is totally raw and vulnerable from sharing how her name means “chubby” to the challenges of being a mom when her growing daughter was in trouble.  In this not to miss podcast, Chepa inspires all to live true to Self by claiming  “This is who I am,  I embrace who I am.  I accept who I am.”  Love yourself enough to know whatever you are going to do in the w...

Leveraging What Is with Pras Ranaweera

October 15, 2020 05:00 - 48 minutes - 33.3 MB

Growing up in London with Sri Lankan parents, early on she developed the skill of assessing the reality of her situation and moving forward based on clarity.  With a well-traveled life that resulted in her becoming a United States citizen, she shares amazing insights about seeking equality and nuggets of fabulous advice about critical life decisions that affect your lifetime “What Is”. Pras Ranaweera is a Senior Program Officer with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in Washington, DC.  Sh...

Leveraging Connection with Senator Elizabeth Steiner Hayward, MD

October 01, 2020 05:00 - 39 minutes - 27 MB

As a member of the Oregon State Legislature, Elizabeth is a shining example of how to develop authentic connections to get meaningful work done - both professionally and personally..  She talks about how to facilitate this happening sharing “By really forming connections and asking questions to get to know others better, you can often find places where you overlap, even with people that you might traditionally think you don’t have a lot in common with,”  This podcast is sure to inspire all t...

Leveraging Voice with Julia

September 17, 2020 05:00 - 20 minutes - 14.3 MB

At 10 years old and our youngest podcast guest to-date, she lives with significant food allergies to eggs and mustard seed, Julia has had to find her voice and grow her confidence early in life.  Wanting to “teach people that allergies are not just something that can’t be eaten but something that can affect your whole life”, Julia shows how our youth should not be underestimated in how they can influence the world.   Julia lives in Westchester County, New York with her mom, dad, younger sis...

Leveraging Possibility with Amber Stegman

September 03, 2020 05:00 - 33 minutes - 22.7 MB

As a true “possibilist” she shares her delightful story of scary risk-taking that moved her from a clock-watching job to being a salon business owner with 21 stylists renting space.  With her “I am not willing to fail” attitude, Amber cuts to the chase about what it means to follow your dreams and live an authentic, creative life.  Her story of believing in something bigger for herself is an inspiration for all to just “go for it”! Amber Stegman is a businesswoman who in January of 2020 pur...

Leveraging Self with Brenna Pangelinan

August 20, 2020 05:00 - 38 minutes - 26.2 MB

At 18 years old, our youngest guest-to-date, she shares an amazing story of getting to know her core self and then just “going for it.” From feeling restless and unfulfilled as a Sophomore, she talks about her journey of self-discovery and steps forward with  “I just started doing things that I was definitely afraid of.” Brenna’s “I know myself and love when I can pour myself into something that I can believe in”, will inspire women of any age to fully claim their powerful, influential selve...

Leveraging Story with Dr. Julie Mathiesen

August 06, 2020 05:00 - 36 minutes - 25.3 MB

Her story is one of being a true innovator from the moment she pursued a “rare air” doctorate in Educational Technology. Using story as a powerful truth-telling about claiming authenticity, Julie constantly has charted new ground - including a year of wandering - and talks about how “We have to just push through our fears of worrying about disruption and figure out how to make those disruptions work in a way that gets us to our mission.”   Julie Mathiesen, Ed.D. is the Director of Technolog...

Leveraging Bio You with Jessica Morrell

July 23, 2020 05:00 - 50 minutes - 34.4 MB

A true expert in women’s health, she digs deep into how the body responds to stress and what choices are best to stay in balance.  Jessica shares “If you don’t have any energy and you can’t think clearly, there is no way you are going to be effective at whatever you try to do” highlighting how important balanced body health is to being truly influential.   Jessica Morrell is a Certified Women’s Health Nurse Practitioner with Avera Medical Group Functional Medicine in Sioux Falls, SD.  She w...

Leveraging Doing with Katherine Bassett

July 09, 2020 05:00 - 37 minutes - 25.8 MB

Doing is all about developing the acuity to redirect actions, building decision making muscle that results in the ability to get things purposely done.  Katherine exemplifies this idea in her personal and professional life, sharing that it is not always easy, “We as women particularly need to embrace discomfort, and that’s hard for us.”  She highlights that hoping is not doing, underscoring how “Respect and credibility are built by what you actually do in your work. Join in this rich dialogu...

Leveraging Self with Becky Nelson

June 25, 2020 05:00 - 36 minutes - 25.3 MB

As a true risk-taker, Becky spent most of her twenties and early thirties in China. By living in four different cities and three different provinces, she uncovered her true self sharing, “Continually moving teaches you a lot about yourself - for better or worse.  But with each one I was able to fine tune, to hone, what was important to me in a career, in a living environment and even regarding the people I want to work with”  Becky opens up about the vulnerability and fear that can be experi...

Leveraging Daughters with Heather & Molly

June 11, 2020 05:00 - 45 minutes - 31.4 MB

This episode features our terrific daughters, Heather and Molly.  In general we just love to hang out with them and thought it would be fun to hear their take on our Influential She journey.  As up and coming professionals they share characteristics of women that have inspired them to grow, along with barriers they perceive that can get in the way of becoming truly influential.  Also they divulge a few personal things that  listeners would not know about us!   Join in this fun, relaxed, and ...

Leveraging Story with Terryl Cadwell

May 28, 2020 05:00 - 41 minutes - 28.6 MB

She powerfully relates how stories bring theory to life.  Her fascinating real life stories titled  Silas and the Beer Bottle, Death by Cop and Bloody Snow, are lessons of building influence by trusting oneself, seeking hope and understanding that things are not always as they seem.   Terryl highlights the influence of stories you tell yourself and others, sharing “Most people, including myself, underestimate our stories.” Terryl Cadwell is an adjunct professor for both the University of So...

Leveraging Story with Jane Berz

May 14, 2020 05:00 - 49 minutes - 34 MB

Everything starts with a story. Stories powerfully connect us to others, and can hold the power to trigger imagination and empathy. Stories humanize, offering a glimpse of your authentic self.  Jane does just that by relating her journey of living a disconnected life in an abusive relationship, and what it took to reclaim herself, sharing “You reach this point where you say - you know what? I don’t want to live this way anymore.  And it takes having your back against the wall and really clar...

Leveraging Perspicaciousness with Nadja Young, Episode 2

April 30, 2020 05:00 - 32 minutes - 22.6 MB

Nadja talks about how it is possible to rise above fractured circumstances sharing “There’s no way for our past to not define us, It is a part of our fabric, our psyche and our personality, but it doesn’t have to paralyze us.  We can use it to fuel us, build grit and a growth mindset, turning it into a positive.”  Nadja has done just that, developing perspicaciousness at a very young age, and using the practice throughout her life to achieve influential success every step of the way. Nadja ...

Leveraging Perspicaciousness with Nadja Young, Episode 1

April 23, 2020 05:00 - 36 minutes - 25.4 MB

Nadja shares her compelling story of growing up with all the odds stacked against her - low income family, fatherless home, parents without college degrees, mother with significant mental illness, father in federal prison from robbing banks, chronically absent from school, in and out of social services protection - only to become a strong, confident woman.  She learned to be perspicacious at a very young age when most are shielded by their parents, connecting dots to create a pathway out of ...

Leveraging Connection with Martha King

April 16, 2020 05:00 - 36 minutes - 25.2 MB

In a time of pandemic, she talks about how needed and powerful women’s connection influence can be, “Women play a special role because we’re natural healers, we’re natural connectors and I think our voices can make a difference in helping calm people and helping to bring people together.”  Martha also reflects on a lifetime of making rich connections and offers advice for all to accelerate the development of whole-hearted relationships. Martha King just returned from almost a year as a U.S....

Leveraging Connection with Martha King, Episode 2

April 16, 2020 05:00 - 36 minutes - 25.2 MB

In a time of pandemic, she talks about how needed and powerful women’s connection influence can be, “Women play a special role because we’re natural healers, we’re natural connectors and I think our voices can make a difference in helping calm people and helping to bring people together.”  Martha also reflects on a lifetime of making rich connections and offers advice for all to accelerate the development of whole-hearted relationships. Martha King just returned from almost a year as a U.S....

Leveraging Connection with Martha King, Episode 1

April 09, 2020 05:00 - 39 minutes - 27 MB

This is the first episode of a two-part conversation featuring the High Leverage Practice of Connection with Martha King.  From being a “barefoot connector” in South Korea for the Peace Corp to working with legislators from all over the country with the National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL), Martha epitomizes the practice of connection.  She reflects how authentic connections are built on the foundation of where we have come sharing “The way we connect depends on how we were raise...

Leveraging As If with Mary Anne Arcilla

April 02, 2020 05:00 - 30 minutes - 21.3 MB

Too many times we wait and wait and wait for permission - to speak, to act, to grow.  This practice is about “proceeding until apprehended”, acting as if where you are headed has already been realized.  Mary Anne’s story is a lifetime practice of “As If”.  From being a girl with self-doubt whose mom instilled “What do you mean you can’t do that?” moxie, to end up leading a state with 6.2 million kids from No. 2 pencil testing to online in one year  - Mary Anne has not waited for  permission ...

Leveraging Doing with Amy Skinner

March 26, 2020 13:00 - 35 minutes - 24.4 MB

As a podcast is being released at the height of a worldwide pandemic, Amy’s words ring true for all of us, “That which you put your mind to grows stronger.  So sometimes when you are in those stuck places (think home for 2-3 weeks) and you just don’t know what to do, and you just let your mind keep perseverating about being hurt or upset, you do get stuck there.  You have to realize you can change that thought pattern and can choose to move on.”  For all of us right now, “doing” is about mov...