We've all been there, in some situation where we'd prefer to give up. To go home, climb back into bed and pull the covers up over our heads. But sometimes, retreat isn't an option. Rock climbers will be familiar with this concept as it is much harder to climb down a wall safely than it is to climb up. often the best or only choice is to keep climbing regardless of what difficulties are encountered. We invite you to listen in as Judy and Travis discuss.

Co-hosts: Judy Yaras & Travis Robinson Editor & Audio Engineer: (EP1-100) Spencer Yaras Audio Engineering Intern: Ana MacAller Social Media Intern: Ana MacAller

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