This week on Heinz Radio, Sara Jackson sits down with Cordell Carter, Executive Director of the Socrates Program at the Aspen Institute. They talk about Cordell’s journey reviving civil discourse around the world, driving leaders to wrestle with the tensions in every big decision they make, and showing people the complexity of making tough policy choices.

Sarah and Cordell also talk about the state of news, the decentralized nature of Cordell’s work, how he curates speakers and participants, and how to let curiosity guide your career. Stepping back, they also talk about the recent midterm elections, how America’s age contributes to national discourse, iterating on the Constitution, and the potential for change at the state and local level.

To learn more about Cordell and his work, visit https://www.aspeninstitute.org/programs/socrates-program/ or follow him on Twitter @cordellcarterii