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Health Matters: Getting Real About Wellness

68 episodes - English - Latest episode: about 2 months ago - ★★★★★ - 7 ratings

Enloe Health’s podcast Health Matters aims to make the path to wellness easier. Join hosts Sharon Martin and Daniela Contreras for down-to-earth conversations about various health topics.  Enloe Health is located in Chico, CA. Have a story you'd like to share? Email us at [email protected].

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Episode 56: Chronic Wounds

May 28, 2024 08:00 - 9 minutes - 6.73 MB

Chronic wounds can be challenging to live with, but with the right knowledge and treatment, they can be effectively managed and cured.  Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy uses pressurized oxygen to promote tissue repair and reduce inflammation, making it an effective option for chronic wounds and non-healing injuries.  Learn about how wounds develop and treatment options from Scott Zittel, D.O., Medical Director of Enloe Health’s Wound/Ostomy & Hyperbaric Center.

Episode 55: The Importance of Mammograms

May 14, 2024 08:00 - 13 minutes - 9.02 MB

According to the American Cancer Society, early detection of breast cancer yields a survival rate of 99 percent. Early detection is the best protection and that was the case for Jennifer Schwabauer. After going in for her first mammogram, she received the news she had breast cancer. Since it was detected early, she was able to undergo surgery and is now cancer free.

Episode 54: Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)

April 23, 2024 08:00 - 13 minutes - 9.27 MB

Polycystic ovary syndrome, commonly known as PCOS, is a is a hormonal disorder that can lead to numerous symptoms including irregular periods, weight gain, and excess body hair.  PCOS, is one of the main causes of infertility affecting as many as 5 million people in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  Learn about this condition and how it’s managed from Enloe Health’s OBGYN, Celeste Bailey Pace, MD, on this episode of Health Matters. 

Episode 53: Healing Through Organ Donation

April 09, 2024 08:00 - 30 minutes - 20.7 MB

 In honor of National Donate Life month, Kelly Wells shares her story on Health Matters.  Kelly’s son, Ethan, tragically lost his life in 2022 at the age of 19. But, Ethan gave the gift of life by being an organ donor to three recipients. Kelly shares her story about how the process of organ donation has helped her healing.

Episode 52: Acid Reflux & GERD

March 26, 2024 08:00 - 7 minutes - 5.18 MB

Frequent heartburn, chest pain, or difficulty swallowing could be signs you’re suffering from GERD (Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease). Learn about this common condition and how it’s managed from Enloe Health nurse practitioner, Michelle Brown, NP, on Health Matters. Watch on Enloe Health’s Facebook or listen at www.enloe.org/podcast.

Episode 51: Carotid Artery Disease & TCAR

February 27, 2024 09:00 - 11 minutes - 7.75 MB

Carotid artery disease occurs when the veins in our neck that carry blood from the heart to the brain get blocked by plaque. This condition can have very serious consequences like a stroke.  Transcarotid Artery Revascularization or TCAR is a minimally invasive surgery to treat blockages in the carotid artery, reducing the risk of stroke.  Listen to a Q&A discussion about Carotid Artery Disease & TCAR with Mark Janzen, M.D., an Enloe Health vascular surgeon.

Episode 50: Building Healthy Hearts

February 13, 2024 09:00 - 1 hour - 51.5 MB

February marks American Heart Month, a time to focus on our heart health and protect ourselves against heart disease.  Tami McIntyre, a former patient of Enloe Health’s Cardiac Rehabilitation program, shares her experience with the program and how it helped her.  Diana Fairburn, an exercise physiologist within Enloe’s Cardiopulmonary Rehab program, also joins the conversation.

Episode 49: Learning about Lymphedema

January 23, 2024 09:00 - 10 minutes - 7.57 MB

Lymphedema is a long-term condition where excess fluid collects in tissues causing swelling.  It affects millions of people around the world. It occurs frequently as a result of cancer treatments. Early diagnosis and treatment can prevent this condition from progressing.  Listen to a Q&A discussion about lymphedema with Karen Fleming, Enloe Health’s lead lymphedema specialist.

Episode 48: Experiencing Bariatric Surgery

January 09, 2024 09:00 - 50 minutes - 34.6 MB

Fred Turner underwent bariatric surgery at Enloe Health in 2016. He shares his experience of losing more than 300 pounds and how the surgery completely transformed his life. Erik Simchuk, M.D., Medical Director of Enloe Health Bariatric & Metabolic Services, also joins the conversation to talk about the benefits of bariatric surgery. To learn more about Enloe Health Bariatric & Metabolic Services, visit www.enloe.org/weight.

Episode 47: Staying Protected from RSV

December 19, 2023 09:00 - 13 minutes - 9.03 MB

Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) is a serious infection that can cause severe breathing difficulties and even death in infants and certain adults. RSV season is in full swing.  To help protect your little one, hear Amy Dolinar, M.D., Enloe Health Pediatric Hospitalist, discuss what you can do to prevent the spread of RSV on the newest episode of Health Matters.

Episode 46: Reaching Healthy Goals

December 12, 2023 09:00 - 27 minutes - 18.9 MB

A new year often brings a clean slate -- a chance to start fresh. It’s why many people use this time of the year to make changes for a healthier lifestyle. Buck August, Enloe Health’s Registered Dietitian and Diabetes Specialist, shares some tips on how to make changes to our lifestyle and eating habits.

Episode 45: Understanding Midwifery

November 14, 2023 09:00 - 12 minutes - 8.93 MB

Midwifery is an important and integral part of the health care system. It involves understanding and caring for pregnant women and their families before, during, and after childbirth. Learn more about the type of care midwives provide from Liz Potter, a Certified Nurse Midwife at Enloe Health on the newest episode of Health Matters. 

Episode 44: Hypertension in Pregnancy

October 24, 2023 08:00 - 22 minutes - 15.8 MB

Hypertension and preeclampsia are serious medical conditions that can have devastating effects on pregnant people and their babies.  Learn about the signs and symptoms of these conditions and how to take preventive measures from Registered Nurse, Jasey Kruger, of Enloe’s Nettleton Mother Baby Care Center on the newest episode of Enloe’s Health Matters.

Episode 43: Recovering from Breast Cancer

October 10, 2023 08:00 - 43 minutes - 30 MB

October marks Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Breast cancer survivor Heather Wilhite was diagnosed in 2021 following a routine mammogram. She’s cancer free now but her journey towards recovery is ongoing. Dr. Nicole Whitlatch, Hematologist/Oncologist with Enloe’s Comprehensive Breast Care Program, and Maisie Rapp, an Enloe physical therapist, also join the conversation. Both Dr. Whitlatch and Maisie are part of Heather’s care team.

Episode 42: Back-to-School Nutrition

September 26, 2023 08:00 - 9 minutes - 6.75 MB

School is back in session! Learn about the best foods to sustain children throughout the day. Eating healthy meals during our development years is key for proper growth, preventing health conditions and having a successful school year.  Buck August, a registered dietitian and diabetes specialist at Enloe Medical Center, shares tips to improve healthy eating habits for children so parents can make informed choices.  

Episode 41: A Locke on Life

September 12, 2023 08:00 - 37 minutes - 25.7 MB

There’s no stopping Charlie Locke. The retired Butte County Sheriff’s officer underwent total knee replacement through Enloe’s Joint Replacement Program.  Locke shares how the surgery helped him continue his active lifestyle and how he did at the recent World Police and Fire Games.  Brock Cummings, M.D., an orthopedic surgeon in Enloe’s Total Joint Replacement Program and Charlie’s doctor, joins the conversation.  Kym Casperson, a Registered Nurse in Enloe’s Emergency Department and a goo...

Episode 40: Early Flu Prevention

August 29, 2023 08:00 - 12 minutes - 8.57 MB

August is National Immunization Awareness Month. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have recommended getting the flu vaccine yearly since 2010. September and October are the optimal months to get vaccinated to prevent getting infected once the flu season is in full swing. Learn the details about the vaccine and Enloe’s upcoming flu vaccination clinic from Margie Rackley, flu clinic vaccination clinic coordinator, and Wes Mathews, community health services manager.

Episode 39: Staying Cool This Summer

August 08, 2023 08:00 - 7 minutes - 5.03 MB

Here in the North State, temperatures often reach triple digits. Family outings in the great outdoors can pose a threat when it’s hot.  Extreme heat often results in the highest annual number of deaths among all weather-related disasters, according to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.  Listen as Enloe’s Director of Emergency Medical Services and Chief Flight Nurse Jenny Humphries discusses the effects of heat-related illnesses, who’s at risk and when to see a doctor.

Episode 38: Highlighting FlightCare

July 25, 2023 08:00 - 17 minutes - 11.8 MB

For 38 years, Enloe’s air ambulance program, FlightCare, has been serving the North State community. Year after year, the program keeps getting busier with a higher volume of patients from 911 calls to inter-hospital transports.  Hear from Jenny Humphries, Enloe Director of EMS and Chief Flight Nurse, about why this program is essential for our region and how it benefits the community.

Episode 37: Snakebites & More

July 11, 2023 08:00 - 36 minutes - 24.8 MB

Venomous rattlesnakes can be hiding within Butte County’s rugged terrain. Though the odds of being bitten by one are fairly low, it’s still a possibility and a safety concern.  Nick Brandehoff, M.D., of Enloe’s Emergency Department, shares valuable information about how to stay safe from these slithery creatures and what to do if you get bitten. Dr. Brandehoff will also share insight on his work with the Asclepius Snakebite Foundation, a nonprofit organization that focuses on treating snak...

Episode 36: Keeping Him Well

June 27, 2023 08:00 - 15 minutes - 10.6 MB

Erectile dysfunction (ED) affects more than 30 million men in the U.S. High blood pressure, diabetes and smoking can contribute to it. If you suffer from ED, break the silence. More than 90% of cases are treatable. Host Daniela Contreras and Urologist Patrick Scarborough, M.D., from Enloe Urology Services discusses ED and prostate enlargement in honor of Men’s Health Month.

Episode 35: Surviving a Stroke

June 13, 2023 08:00 - 39 minutes - 27.2 MB

Oralia Martinez, a 66-year-old mother from Orland, never imagined she’d be a stroke survivor. Oralia and her daughter Silvia share their story about how stroke affected their family.  Joel Rothfeld, M.D., a neurologist with Enloe Medical Center, joins the conversation to share insight on the risk factors of stroke and how to stay healthy.

Episode 34: Exploring Mental Health

May 23, 2023 08:00 - 21 minutes - 14.8 MB

Mental Health conditions are common. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1 in 25 adults live with a serious mental health illness like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or depression.  Ahmed Abouesh, M.D., Medical Director of Enloe Behavior Health, discusses the importance of mental health and the resources available. 

Episode 33: CPR Saves Lives

May 08, 2023 08:00 - 33 minutes - 23.1 MB

When a member of the Butte Sailing Club suddenly suffered a heart attack on the dock at the Forebay in Oroville, it took a miraculous effort from a group of bystanders to save his life.  Among those bystanders was Amy Yurus, a nurse in Enloe’s Emergency Department and a member of the Butte Sailing Club. Yurus took charge that day, acting immediately to perform CPR and administer an automated external defibrillator.   Jordan Reed, another member of the sailing club, helped Amy by grabbing t...

Episode 32: Home Safety & Preventing Falls

April 25, 2023 08:00 - 11 minutes - 8.21 MB

Every year more than 3 million people are treated in emergency departments for fall injuries. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2020 more than 36,000 deaths were caused by falls among people 65 years or older. Learn about your fall risk and how to prevent fall injuries from Erin Parsley, Emergency Department Charge Nurse and Kayla Bentley, Enloe’s trauma services resource nurse. Listen at www.enloe.org/podcast or wherever you get your favorite podcasts or tune...

Episode 32: Home Safety and Preventing Falls

April 25, 2023 08:00 - 11 minutes - 8.21 MB

Every year more than 3 million people are treated in emergency departments for fall injuries. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2020 more than 36,000 deaths were caused by falls among people 65 years or older. Learn about your fall risk and how to prevent fall injuries from Erin Parsley, Emergency Department Charge Nurse and Kayla Bentley, Enloe’s trauma services resource nurse. Listen at www.enloe.org/podcast or wherever you get your favorite podcasts or tune...

Episode 31: Dire Need for Organ Donors

April 11, 2023 08:00 - 49 minutes - 33.9 MB

April marks National Donate Life Month. With the waiting list of people in need of a transplant nationwide continuing to grow, the impact of organ donation is significant. The Bryant family can attest to that. For his fifth birthday, Nolan received the gift of a lifetime — a new liver — allowing him to live life to the fullest. Host Sharon Martin sits down with his mother, Mandy Bryant, as she shares their family’s inspiring story. Melissa Coulter, a nurse manager in Enloe’s Intensive Care...

Episode 30: Protect Your Brain

March 28, 2023 07:00 - 6 minutes - 4.75 MB

Brain injuries are a common occurrence. More than 5.3 million people in the United States are living with a permanent disability due to a brain injury, according to the Brain Injury Association of America. Learn about the different types of brain injuries, including concussions, from Maya Armenta, NP, from the Enloe Concussion Clinic in the upcoming Health Matters episode Protect Your Brain.

Episode 29: Coping with Colorectal Cancer

March 14, 2023 07:00 - 44 minutes - 30.7 MB

March is Colorectal Cancer Awareness Month. Colorectal cancer is the third leading cause of cancer-related deaths in men and women in the United States. Experts recommend getting screened starting at age 45 because this common cancer is occurring in younger adults more often. Host Sharon Martin sits down with Beth Burton, a teacher at Pleasant Valley High School in Chico, who was recently diagnosed with the disease, and her wife, Shannon. Beth and Shannon share how treatment is going. Wissa...

Episode 28: All About Blood Clots

February 28, 2023 09:00 - 10 minutes - 7.07 MB

On average, a person dies every six minutes due to a blood clot in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Blood clotting disorders must be taken seriously to prevent cardiovascular disease or other medical emergencies. Nurse Practitioners Yashoda Bhandari, NP, and Tina Solomon, NP, of Enloe’s Anticoagulation Clinic join host Daniela Contreras to talk about the importance of blood health.

Episode 27: Love Your Heart

February 14, 2023 09:00 - 54 minutes - 37.6 MB

When Wally Funk, the 53-year-old Butte College assistant football coach, found himself needing emergency heart surgery, he sought care at Enloe Medical Center.  With his wife, Arwen, by his side, he pulled through open-heart surgery. In this episode, we honor American Heart Month as the couple sit down with host Sharon Martin to share their harrowing experience, what they’ve learned and how they're living healthier lifestyles. 

Episode 26: Helping Sexual Assault Survivors

January 24, 2023 09:00 - 25 minutes - 17.8 MB

With a staff of forensic registered nurses available 24/7, Enloe ensures anyone who is sexually assaulted or abused has access to forensic medical exams. In this episode, host Sharon Martin talks to Jacqueline Winters-Hall, Coordinator of Enloe's Sexual Assault Forensic Examination program, and Monica O’Neil, Chief of Butte County's Victim Assistance Bureau, about the critical resources available to survivors across the community.

Episode 25: The Significance of Sleep

January 10, 2023 09:00 - 14 minutes - 10.3 MB

A third of adults in the United States reportedly get less than the recommended amount of sleep. A consistent lack of sleep has consequences. Being sleep deprived can increase the risk of Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, obesity, and depression, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  Sleeping well is not only for comfort, but it’s essential for good physical and mental health.  Host Daniela Contreras and Enloe Physical Therapist Alexa Janicki go over the importance of...

Episode 24: RSV Facts and the Impact on the Community

December 13, 2022 09:00 - 19 minutes - 13.5 MB

This year, regions across the United States have seen a significant increase in respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV, cases.  While this respiratory virus typically causes mild, cold-like symptoms, RSV can be serious for both infants and older adults. Locally, Enloe Medical Center has seen a similar increase in RSV cases and admissions to the medical center.  Host Suzie Lawry-Hall and Amy Dolinar, Enloe’s Director of Children Services, break down RSV, including causes, symptoms, and the imp...

Episode 24: RSV Facts & the Impact on the Community

December 13, 2022 09:00 - 19 minutes - 13.5 MB

This year, regions across the United States have seen a significant increase in respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV, cases.  While this respiratory virus typically causes mild, cold-like symptoms, RSV can be serious for both infants and older adults. Locally, Enloe Medical Center has seen a similar increase in RSV cases and admissions to the medical center.  Host Suzie Lawry-Hall and Amy Dolinar, Enloe’s Director of Children Services, break down RSV, including causes, symptoms, and the imp...

Episode 23: Volunteering & Your Health

November 08, 2022 09:00 - 33 minutes - 23 MB

Volunteering not only helps the community, but it’s also a way to boost your own health and happiness. According to experts, volunteering provides physical, physiological and personal benefits. Host Suzie Lawry-Hall talks to Randy Wonzong, President of the Enloe Volunteers’ Board, Gina Cuneo, Enloe’s Gift Shop & Volunteer Coordinator, and Heather Harris, Enloe’s Volunteer Coordinator. They’ll share why volunteering is good for your health.

Episode 22: Understanding Your Benefits, Part II

October 11, 2022 08:00 - 22 minutes - 15.2 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall continues her exploration into health care benefits. Now that she and Lisa Stark, Enloe’s Senior Director of Patient Financial Services, have explained what health benefits are, they go over health care reimbursement. They discuss how insurance companies bill, the resources Enloe has to help patients understand charges and more.

Episode 22: Understanding Your Benefits, Part 2

October 11, 2022 08:00 - 22 minutes - 15.2 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall continues her exploration into health care benefits. Now that she and Lisa Stark, Enloe’s Senior Director of Patient Financial Services, have explained what health benefits are, they go over health care reimbursement. They discuss how insurance companies bill, the resources Enloe has to help patients understand charges and more.

Episode 21: Understanding Your Benefits, Part I

September 13, 2022 08:00 - 23 minutes - 16 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall explores an aspect of health care that often puzzles folks: their benefits and insurance. Learn what your benefits are exactly, how to know if you’re signing up for the plan you need to access the right health care for your family during open enrollment, why it’s important to make those decisions before you actually need health care, and more. Lisa Stark, Enloe’s Senior Director of Patient Financial Services, will share valuable insight in this two-part series.

Episode 21:Understanding Your Benefits, Part 1

September 13, 2022 08:00 - 23 minutes - 16 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall explores an aspect of health care that often puzzles folks: their benefits and insurance. Learn what your benefits are exactly, how to know if you’re signing up for the plan you need to access the right health care for your family during open enrollment, why it’s important to make those decisions before you actually need health care, and more. Lisa Stark, Enloe’s Senior Director of Patient Financial Services, will share valuable insight in this two-part series.

Episode 20: Losing a Baby

August 09, 2022 08:00 - 58 minutes - 40.2 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall explores loss as she sits down with Katy Herman, a mom who gave birth to a stillborn baby boy last year. The experience changed her family forever and made them part of a group we don’t often hear about: families who have lost babies due to a miscarriage or stillbirth. It’s a tragic reality — and one that affects about 1 in every 160 births, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Katy and her husband, Brian, share their experience to help families ...

Episode 19: Diving Into Dementia

July 12, 2022 08:00 - 46 minutes - 31.8 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall explores dementia. She sits down with Olivia, whose aging mother suffers from Alzheimer’s disease — a condition that affects 6 million Americans, according to the Alzheimer’s Association. They discuss the disease and how it’s impacted the family. Neurology specialist Paramjit Singh, M.D., and social worker Brid Power join the discussion to share who’s at risk of the disease, signs of dementia, how to seek care, find resources, and more. For more information about Enloe...

Episode 19: Discerning Dementia

July 12, 2022 08:00 - 46 minutes - 31.8 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall explores dementia. She sits down with Olivia, whose aging mother suffers from Alzheimer’s disease — a condition that affects 6 million Americans, according to the Alzheimer’s Association. They discuss the disease and how it’s impacted the family. Neurology specialist Paramjit Singh, M.D., and social worker Brid Power join the discussion to share who’s at risk of the disease, signs of dementia, how to seek care, find resources, and more. For more information about Enloe...

Ep 18: Eat, Sleep & Console - Babies Born With Substance Exposure

June 14, 2022 08:00 - 30 minutes - 20.9 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall explores a new way Enloe Medical Center is caring for substance-exposed newborns. Our Nettleton Mother & Baby Care Center team is incorporating a model called Eat, Sleep & Console to help babies work through withdrawal from substance exposure during pregnancy. With the North State not being immune to the nation’s opioid epidemic, this method of care is having a big impact on infants, moms and families in our community. Julie Maurer, a Nurse Practitioner in Enloe’s Coupl...

Episode 18: Eat, Sleep & Console - Babies Born With Substance Exposure

June 14, 2022 08:00 - 30 minutes - 20.9 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall explores a new way Enloe Medical Center is caring for substance-exposed newborns. Our Nettleton Mother & Baby Care Center team is incorporating a model called Eat, Sleep & Console to help babies work through withdrawal from substance exposure during pregnancy. With the North State not being immune to the nation’s opioid epidemic, this method of care is having a big impact on infants, moms and families in our community. Julie Maurer, a Nurse Practitioner in Enloe’s Coupl...

Episode 17: Thriving After Bariatric Surgery

May 10, 2022 07:00 - 41 minutes - 28.2 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall explores the struggle weight loss can be, both physically and mentally, and how one woman overcame it. Chico resident Julie Marquez shares her inspiring story and how she lost 110 pounds after having bariatric surgery.  Deron Ludwig, M.D., the Director of Enloe’s Bariatric Program, joins them. They’ll go over the challenges of losing weight, when medical assistance and weight loss surgery is necessary, and more.  

Organ Donation Helps Mom Heal

April 12, 2022 08:00 - 48 minutes - 33.6 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall dives into organ donation, a life-saving practice that can help grieving families heal. Danielle Coleman knows this firsthand. She unexpectedly lost two sons and chose to donate their organs, bringing light to two very dark moments in her life. Hear her powerful story. Cindy Llewellyn, Director of Enloe’s Critical Care and Emergency Services, and Lori Singh, Donation Program Consultant of Donor Network West, join them to go over the importance of organ donation, who can...

Episode 16: Organ Donation Helps Mom Heal

April 12, 2022 08:00 - 48 minutes - 33.6 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall dives into organ donation, a life-saving practice that can help grieving families heal. Danielle Coleman knows this firsthand. She unexpectedly lost two sons and chose to donate their organs, bringing light to two very dark moments in her life. Hear her powerful story. Cindy Llewellyn, Director of Enloe’s Critical Care and Emergency Services, and Lori Singh, Donation Program Consultant of Donor Network West, join them to go over the importance of organ donation, who can...

Episode 15: Trusting Her Gut - A Colorectal Cancer Survivor’s Story

March 08, 2022 09:00 - 38 minutes - 26.4 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall discusses colorectal cancer, the third-most diagnosed cancer in both men and women that affects about 1 in 23 men and 1 in 25 women. Rebecca Henderson, a 46-year-old mother of two never expected to be diagnosed with the condition, but in a matter of weeks her life changed forever. Hear her powerful story and how the cancer survivor is doing today. Wissam Halabi, M.D., a colorectal surgeon, joins them to discuss the symptoms of colorectal cancer, who’s at risk, treatment...

Episode 14: A Heart Attack Waiting to Happen

February 08, 2022 08:00 - 31 minutes - 21.4 MB

Host Suzie Lawry-Hall discusses heart disease, the leading cause of death for men, women, and people of most racial group in honor of American Heart Month. Rose Torres, an Oroville resident and retired nurse, shares her riveting story about a serious coronary blockage she suffered, how her team found it, and how she's doing today.  Peter Magnusson, M.D., a cardiovascular disease specialist, joins them to discuss the symptoms of heart disease, heart blockage symptoms, who’s at risk, treatment...