Civil Rights – COVID & Seasonal Vaccines: Safety, Effectiveness, Law & Ethics
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In this episode of GFILE News, Trenton Garmon interviews Dr. Francis Koe about the COVID-19 Vaccine and other issues concerning with it.
Phone Guest - Dr. Francis Koe
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Week 10, Part 2 -
Legal Docket & Admin Report - FDA Announces Vaccine Approvals and COVID medical products approval
Phone Guest - Dr. Francis Koe
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Sources:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-december-28-2020
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-december-22-2020
Transcript
Trenton Garmon
Welcome one Welcome all to I Heart Radio. This is attorney Trenton Garmon, we've got a two part show for you today talking about the COVID vaccine with Dr. Francis Koe. She's a medical doctor in Alabama, who I guess has a general practice from maybe a natural medicine perspective as much as anything while embracing the pharmaceutical side of things. And she's going to share with us her perspective on vaccine pushes in the safety tests that we've got. And, of course, we're gonna be talking through civil rights news and legal docket reports as well. Dr. Koe, welcome to the show. Thank you for spending time with us and joining us today.
Dr. Francis Koe 1:27
Thank you.
Trenton Garmon 1:28
And so as I understand it, you have a general practice in Alabama. And I guess vaccines are something that any general practitioner has administered within their offices, you know, tell us what your practice is composed of the areas of medicine that you practice, primarily. And then we'll get into some of the known and the unknowns about COVID. And the vaccines that are being pushed today.
Dr. Francis Koe 1:51
So I have a family medicine practice. I did my residency, medical school and residency in Alabama. And so I practice in northeast Alabama, in a very small town of about 900 people. So I'm the only physician in the area in my town. And I have some nurse practitioners working with me and we see newborns all the way to death. I do home visits, nursing home care, clinic care. And then we also have what we call a direct primary care clinic means yes, people just pay $50 a month and they don't have to use their insurance or if they don't have insurance. They can get some family care at $50 a month.
Trenton Garmon 2:35
Is there a name for that program you have there with your practice?
Dr. Francis Koe 2:38
Well, the name of my clinic is the so I have wills Valley family medicine, which is my regular insurance clinic that we have had for 13 years at since residency. And then we have Valley care DPC. And we're in the same complex, you know, we have a just a little small office there. And so both clinics so basically in the same office, well, you're perfect for this part of the show, because I believe that having someone look at it from a general practitioner perspective is Uber important because you're taking into consideration all the different types of ailments and issues that people have and come to you with a plan a generalized knowledge. And then of course, specialty knowledge as well. Do you vaccinate in your practice? We used to and for Medicaid for Medicaid children. That it was it was hard to do, because we didn't see enough to keep enough vaccine in the clinic. And so we just decided to stop several years ago, we do have some vaccines like t dhap. tetanus, and so we give those and tetanus shots. And we do do flu vaccines. So and we do write scripts for people who want to do pneumonia vaccines, but we also write scripts for people who want to do shingles vaccines?
Trenton Garmon 4:06
Well, we're in a crucial time, of course in national medicine, and a lot of people want to know and I think there are some unknowns that we just have to be at peace about there's always going to be mysteries each year, there seems to be different strands that come out that evade the effectiveness if vaccines are truly overall safe and effective. So for those minds, those people that are not doctors and are curious, what is your opinion with the new variant that's out and the two main vaccines that have been pushed in America right now? Do you think that it is safe and effective? Do you think that there are alternative methods that can be equally effective because I've seen where a lot of the medical community that then towards natural medicine are pushing a four vitamin solution vitamin D, vitamin C and some some others? What are your thoughts with the two that we have out now and what would you recommend the caller the the general audience As far as their personal choice and maybe meeting with their physician and making an actual informed decision.
Dr. Francis Koe 5:07
Yes. And I want to reiterate that you are talking about COVID vaccines? Correct. So, so there's two vaccines, Pfizer, biome, biotech and Madonna. So and they're both want. The Pfizer vaccine is purported to be 95% effective. And the Madonna is 94% effective. So they're very, very close.
Trenton Garmon 5:30
What does that mean, from a medical doctor top perspective compared to a consumer, because as a product liability attorney, we do civil rights and products work. And we've sued several manufacturers, product device manufacturers and found that, you know, their studies oftentimes are misleading. What does 94% effective mean? Does it mean that they detect antibodies and 94% of the people? Does it mean that you have a 94% chance of not having COVID? at a subsequent time? What's your backside? or What does that truly mean?
Dr. Francis Koe 6:01
So it's not real clear in the literature that, you know, they give us exactly what that does mean. So. So basically, when you get a vaccine, it does not mean you will not get the disease. It reduces your risk significantly. And because your body
Trenton Garmon 6:24
if you're exposed to it has the amount of antibodies that would then fight off a true infection, or what is the
Dr. Francis Koe 6:32
Yeah. So that that's what they're looking at. And it takes anywhere from 14 days to three weeks or longer. And you're in one of the vaccines, you get two shots, two injections, and the other you get both of you actually get two injections, one is three weeks apart, and one is four weeks apart. You do not have immunity. When you first get the injection, it takes at least three weeks to show some immunity. I'm not sure if that's exact in both in both vaccines.
Trenton Garmon 7:05
concern there was a report by NBC that a nurse had tested positive for COVID-19 despite a recent vaccination, which I think those who were pro Vax and pro big farm were kind of shocked by says that
Dr. Francis Koe 7:18
she got that she was tested positive for that COVID in less than seven days. So she
Trenton Garmon 7:24
responds to the vaccine. Are you thinking she could have had it in advance?
Dr. Francis Koe 7:28
She could have had it in advance. Okay, so they've not had anybody who got COVID from the vaccine, which is odd, because they put out
Trenton Garmon 7:38
that the first dose we think gives you somewhere and this is the to DOS version, which I guess is that Madeira's version?
Dr. Francis Koe 7:45
They're both to dos. Okay,
Trenton Garmon 7:47
so the first dose puts you around 50%, in the second dose will get you at about 95%. This is an article about Yeah, and B. C. So what you're bringing up is, the safe and effective numbers were given are presuming a time period, I guess. So a month long time period or something about that time period? timeline wise.
Dr. Francis Koe 8:07
Yes. And and that may not be in every person. So everybody's going to be an individual. And, you know, so the problem is we had to put these vaccines out quickly, you know, they brought them out quickly. They don't even aren't even sure how long the vaccines are last. They may last 90 days, they may last six months, they may last a year. And then they may not last, you know, we don't even know so
Trenton Garmon 8:31
90% effective right at not contracting COVID because your body builds up immunity from that. But we don't know if that immunity last 90 days or last year. And we know that there's other strands that come out I guess I'm just begging the question, because I'm not an anti vaxxer. But I certainly from seeing products liability work, and have them to litigation door closed because of how operation warp speed work. I have got serious concerns about each one of these vaccines that have been rolled out. So what you're bringing up is is not just hey, here's a firm number 94% effective, but you're saying you have to take into consideration each individual patient time period for the vaccines, a two dose exposure or two dose administration of the vaccine. And then what else would someone take into consideration when they're making that decision? Are there two or three four spadoni conditions that you say hey, if your grandfather has this or your mother has this, you probably would more likely than not want to take the vaccine or what's your general advice with regards to specific conditions?
Dr. Francis Koe 9:36
So I basically anybody with CO morbid conditions, things like diabetes, hypertension, and some of those conditions that make you at a greater higher risk. They would more than likely benefit from the vaccine more so possibly than somebody that has no comorbid conditions.
Trenton Garmon 9:56
Just curious what percent of the population would you put that at komori conditions, these people are more likely to not benefit from the vaccine is that 20% of the general population? Or?
Dr. Francis Koe 10:06
I'm not saying they wouldn't benefit from the vaccine, I'm saying those who have those comorbid conditions would need the vaccine more than somebody who didn't have those Make sense? Sure, wouldn't need it more quickly. And that's why they have a, you know, the list of folks who are getting it first based on their age, you know, people at different ages and so forth. So, you know, it becomes really complicated. But when they do when they say, so this is my, my take on it instead of, I mean, we can look these things up, we can get all this information from the CDC website, anybody can go and look and find out how they work, what's in each vaccine. They don't contain egg preservatives, or latex. We can find all those things out. But it's whether what I do and I choose to do in my clinic, is it tell people this is your choice? You know, I can advise, but it's your choice. I don't tell people to take it. And I don't don't tell people not to if they're nervous and afraid. And I say, Well, if you feel that you would not like to get this illness in the next three to six months. And it would benefit you to take the vaccine, if you've got some if you're older, and you've got comorbid conditions.
Trenton Garmon 11:29
Do you feel like there's adequate information that's credible to provide informed consent. And at this point, it doesn't sound like you're vaccinating people, but that's a concern of minors. Doctors have a duty and I don't know that we can actually say they can fulfill that duty with the conflicting information we got and also the limited time that we've had available to study the disease and study the response of the people that have been backed in as part of the studies. We'll talk more in part two, we're going to go on through the FDA recent announcement and some articles. Thank you for joining us Dr. Kolb. This is Trenton Garmin I Heart Radio with G found lose your legal docket report on civil rights news source. Thank you for joining us. We'll be back with part two in just a moment.
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welcome one. Welcome to part two. This attorney Trenton Garmin on I Heart Radio with your G file news bringing to you your relevant civil rights news. And legal docket reports we get four segment to the show Dr. Ko on with us a medical doctor who learned over the break there had actually tested positive for COVID at some point in time, Dr. Koh, thank you for joining us. Tell us a little bit about your positive tests for COVID. And were you symptomatic? And what is your recommendation for those who test positive.
Dr. Francis Koe 13:40
So this was a really confusing thing that happened in our clinic. And it happened to more than just my family or my husband and I also happen to another one or two family. We I was tested in early October and I was asymptomatic. I tested positive. And then subsequently in the same week I had four negative tests, but they were different types of tests. And then two weeks later, I tested positive again and was still asymptomatic. And that was all in October.
Trenton Garmon 14:10
One test positive October for negatives and then another test positive and you're asymptomatic the whole time. Yes. And your medical doctor. This is not just you know, somebody bootlegging. COVID tests off Amazon.
Dr. Francis Koe 14:23
No, absolutely. And then the next problem came in November. We had some folks in our clinics who became positive. We all ate together. We didn't know she was positive until the day after and six others became positive, including me again.
Trenton Garmon 14:40
So not only the vaccines issue about their safety and effectiveness, we're talking about the test and you're Yeah, you're looking at 306 FDA announced this past week for our admin docket the approval of now 306 COVID test from the ones that you took what's your so many it doesn't necessarily matter to wade through that but Were these all immediate within an hour based on blood? Or were they were they swab test on your nose? Or how did that? Yeah.
Dr. Francis Koe 15:08
So I had two swabs, and I had one antibody test. And it may have been too early. And then I also had an instant test that we were trying. And and it was the PCR test.
Trenton Garmon 15:24
Did you ever show any of the symptoms?
Dr. Francis Koe 15:26
No, not in the first month, you know, in October when I first tested and six weeks later, after the very first positive, I tested positive again, but this time I had symptoms. And I was definitely sick.
Trenton Garmon 15:40
Okay, and you were sharing with me something that you took, I guess it was ever met. Okay, and tell the audience a little bit about that.
Dr. Francis Koe 15:51
Yeah. So we had looked at some random controlled trials on ivermectin. And so I said, you know, I'm going to try this on myself, because I had about four or five days where I felt horrible.
Trenton Garmon 16:06
I didn't even know guinea pig for your practice, right?
Dr. Francis Koe 16:09
Yeah, I, you know, wanted to see if it was gonna work. And they said within 48 hours, you know, 24 you'll start to feel better and in 48 you feel a lot better and it was absolutely true that I did
Trenton Garmon 16:20
this or is this like natural? Is this a natural substance that's under a brand name.
Dr. Francis Koe 16:28
It's actually an anti parasitic medicine and it's anti inflammatory. So it actually has been used and there's a website that you can go to to frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. And they hope that there's attorneys out there.
Trenton Garmon 16:50
listeners to the show, Dr. Ko on with us about how the vaccine we're considering learning over the break their way of actually tested positive over diagnosed. Again joining us, tell us a little bit about your positive test.
Dr. Francis Koe 17:10
And there have been people who have died and you do not want to be really confusing. My family or my husband and I talked to her way rather
we asymptomatic so far and and really eloquently. And they We also recommend my favorite types of data, which includes vitamin D weeks later, on the level again I enough in October,
Trenton Garmon 17:45
when test positive October 4 2016. Yes, austere medical, and COVID
versus those who
Dr. Francis Koe 18:00
came in November regimen. So your folks in our clinic we all ate together. We didn't know she was positive.
Most positive and depending on what their level is I say 5000. For a lot for me to get my levels up.
Trenton Garmon 18:29
She took
Unknown Speaker 18:34
these all
Dr. Francis Koe 18:38
a clinical setting. So I recommend oral vitamin D Yeah. To most patients, these swabs and a two which is equal to absorb and I also have struggled and there are no fine. Talk to your physician PCR cam Don't take my position. Sure. Not in the clergyman Two months later, that prophylactic very first positive today and but this time I had and and I was like once somebody melatonin took which is also the immune segments
Trenton Garmon 19:21
typically relax your body more.
Dr. Francis Koe 19:25
Yes, it is. Yeah, we build melatonin today until to have and so you know, we know I'm going to try
and make a lot of things you know, within hours in a 24 hour trend some of our patients the last thing that we
A brand new thing we recommended. And that's actually an anti parasitic medicine and it's anti inflammatory. It actually has been used and there's a website that you can go to frontline COVID-19. Critical Care Alliance. Yeah. Comparing it in different ways and COVID mission critical Caroline's also
Trenton Garmon 20:34
treating carillons diagnosis, obviously gathering information from a natural
Dr. Francis Koe 20:42
problem is that selfish horses and there have been people who have gotten it is not a government when I found things like that I'm aware of not one. Make sure you get the wrong notes for your body weight. exactly sure whether this is done the research I have used it in Asia actually kind of a new man. So far, so alternative, but we all say recommend vitamin D protocol. So most of our 11,016
Trenton Garmon 21:26
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tested positive emotion and will require the vaccine versus those who were not
Dr. Francis Koe 21:34
following about he was actually talking about ivermectin recommended.
Trenton Garmon 21:41
Recommendations ivermectin. Well,
Dr. Francis Koe 21:43
I typically tell people, we check their levels. And depending on what their level is, I'd say 5000 international units, or 10,000. Yeah, I refer, I'm working a lot. And for whatever reason, I don't absorb it, it takes a lot for me to get my levels.
Trenton Garmon 22:06
out there. There's this credit, I mean, you brought up that time period you had vitamin D.
Unknown Speaker 22:16
Tonight, you can look and evaluate.
Dr. Francis Koe 22:20
You can take it with Katie actually helps. A bit better, and sometimes magnesium has somebody really patient.
Trenton Garmon 22:30
So talk to your physician, he is my recommendation.
Dr. Francis Koe 22:35
Sure. The other thing I don't typically you can do that. Proven.
Trenton Garmon 22:44
Today not always be credited for
Dr. Francis Koe 22:49
giving melatonin
Trenton Garmon 22:51
What do you think about your position to significantly younger college? advising their patients?
Dr. Francis Koe 22:59
Yes, it is. We believe that when we give it you know, we know I cannot give them yet. And I have the day goes on and and so they're still in the weather. They don't know what he wants. He's there for a little I don't know. But I tell them that in the nursing home, you know, and they read the patient news some of the time and we laughing we don't know what else this vaccine recommended by them. And for the most part, there hasn't been any severe stuff done by the universe repercussions from taking it unless it's an allergic reaction and there are allergic reaction. Things like that. Long term, we don't know where that we have actually given that short child. Very allergic reaction.
Unknown Speaker 23:58
I wish we could talk for
Dr. Francis Koe 24:01
COVID-19 purple Caroline, recommend those same thing, including
Trenton Garmon 24:07
you're the frontline commander and you're returning Garmin with a heart radio gathered. Thank you for joining us next week saying we've been talking through the stimulus package government with COVID testing.
Informed Consent
if you're patient
Dr. Francis Koe 24:29
seeking not exactly a group of physicians that are have done some of the research in civil rights and they're kind of a news
Trenton Garmon 24:37
outlet COVID wonderful
Dr. Francis Koe 24:41
alternative therapies. So they actually put on their website things like to interview that was done with Dr. Pierre Cory in the Senate and you know, People updated. Yeah, we
Trenton Garmon 25:01
were talking about that over the break. This is an interview with a physician that's talking about vaccines
Dr. Francis Koe 25:08
and COVID. He was actually talking about ivermectin and the benefits of ivermectin that they've used over the last several months.
Trenton Garmon 25:15
So that's your recommendations ivermectin and one of these four vitamins, if not all four of them for COVID prevention. And if someone's been diagnosed with COVID, is that correct? Yeah. And you brought up we did briefly, in the break there about informed consent. Do you believe at this point that, ethically speaking, a physician can give their patient informed consent? I mean, there's just a myriad of information out there, there's information discredit them, and you brought up in one month time period, you had six tests, and two were positive and four were negative. And this is not on someone else. This is on you. That, you know, you can look and evaluate yourself and kind of be your own lab right there. But what is your your take on informed consent in the legal duty, the physician has some of the concerns that patients probably have that their doctor and they them, he or she is the patient working through what's in their best interest. And physicians are only given information that big farm gives them big farms on giving information that they know from the clinical studies, and those have been proven time and time again, to not always be credible, or be framed up in a way that makes something look more safe and effective than it is. What do you think about informed consent? I mean, you're you're a physician, what would you say to some of the younger colleagues that you have, as they're wading through it and advise on their patience?
Dr. Francis Koe 26:35
Well, you've got two issues there about testing and the vaccine. But as far as informed consent goes, you, you know, I can only give them the the information that I have. And, you know, it is they're still giving vaccine, whether we give 100% informed consent, you know, with Operation work speed, there's little, I don't know, legally, what can be done, but I tell people, you know, and they they read it on on the news some of the time, but we tell people, we don't know how well this vaccine will cover you. For the most part, there haven't been any severe. repercussions from taking it unless it's an allergic reaction. And there are always allergic reactions to things like vaccines. Long term, we don't know what the vaccine does, you know, that harms people. In the short term we've always seen very few allergic reactions.
Trenton Garmon 27:33
I wish we could talk for hours. It's so fun to hear different people's perspective. Dr. Koh thank you for being on with us. I'm sorry that we don't have more time to talk but I appreciate your candor and your perspective. This is attorney Trenton Garmin with I Heart Radio and G file news. We thank you for joining us we'll be back. Next week, same time we will be talking through the stimulus package had Dr. Koh here, share with us her experience with some of the COVID testing and whether truly informed consent can be obtained. If your patient seek out the advice of your doctor. And we look forward to maintaining a public interest and civil rights news flow to you in this is Trenton Garman hope you have a wonderful new year.
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