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Film School

425 episodes - English - Latest episode: 7 days ago - ★★★★★ - 25 ratings

A filmmaker and a writer tackle the AFI's Top 100 Films and beyond to educate themselves about movies and storytelling. Welcome to Film School!

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Will Success Fix Me? (Cutting Room Floor #211)

July 08, 2024 10:00 - 48 minutes - 33.5 MB

Bestseller. Top of the Box Office. Hit TV show. Oscar. Millions...success will fix everything, right? I mean, it's literally what we're chasing so hard, the tippy top of our dreams, how could it possibly NOT fix us, right? RIGHT? Hmmm. So, what if it doesn't? What if success were only to make our personal issues WORSE? Oh, god. Perhaps the work on ourselves is actually something else entirely, and something we can start right here, right now. We talk about it. Also, Josh once again (is tha...

Rope (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #34)

July 01, 2024 10:00 - 53 minutes - 49.3 MB

Murder can be an art, too... So, Hitchcock is doing some THINGS. He's out on his own away from Selznick for the first time in Hollywood, and he's come out with a big swing: can we shoot a movie with no cuts? All one take? Or, at least the illusion of that? And how would such a real-time filming method influence the drama that unfolds? Kinda blew our mind that--apparently--Hitch was the first director to ever try this. And he has ol' Jimmy Stewart along for the ride to add some gravitas. So...

Why Is Your Process So Different From Mine? (Cutting Room Floor #210)

June 27, 2024 18:28 - 43 minutes - 30.2 MB

You've probably heard this before: there is no ONE WAY to be a writer. Or a filmmaker. Or an actor, or a painter, or a dancer, or a sculptor...the possibilities, personalities, and pathways are endless. Why is that? And if its true, how can I find my own way? We discuss and answer! Also, Josh recommends The Terror Season 1 (again!), and Ira recommends Scavenger's Reign which is currently on Netflix.

The Paradine Case (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #33)

June 24, 2024 10:00 - 49 minutes - 45.9 MB

I loved Andre Latour, and you murdered him... It's the last rodeo for Alfred Hitchcock and David O. Selznick, the last time the two work together. And this time, it's written by the producer himself. We have ourselves a murder, a mysterious, beautiful woman accused, and a dashing young lawyer who's convinced she didn't do it. So, how does it all shake out? Do Hitch and Selznick find one last bit of magic? We watch and find out!

All At Once vs. Slow & Steady (Cutting Room Floor #209)

June 17, 2024 10:00 - 43 minutes - 30.2 MB

What's the best way to work: burst energy, get it out as hard and fast as you possibly can go go go don't stop...or slow and steady, this is a marathon not a sprint, and you can't just drop everything when life never stops, so drip drip it away, one brick at a time until you're finally done? Spoiler: it's not an either/or. It's BOTH. We talk about how we've applied both concepts to our own creativity. Also, Josh recommends The Terror Season 1 (again), and Ira recommends Welcome to Wrexham ...

Notorious (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #32)

June 10, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 57.1 MB

Say it again, it keeps me awake. ...I love you... Ingrid Bergman and Hitchcock go back to back! This time its Cary Grant she teams up with, in a tale of international espionage, manipulation, uranium, and...love. All things Hitch has covered before, but not quite like this. Grant and Bergman heat up the silver screen. We watch and discuss!

Good Habits (Cutting Room Floor #208)

June 03, 2024 10:00 - 53 minutes - 37.3 MB

On this podcast, we've talked before about BAD habits and how to break them. But what about GOOD habits? What about that stuff that we know we SHOULD be doing, but it's hard to get going? Josh and Ira talk about how it works for them. Also, Josh recommends The Terror Season 1 (again), and Ira recommends Welcome to Wrexham, which is on Hulu.

Spellbound (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #31)

May 28, 2024 04:07 - 1 hour - 61.8 MB

Amnesia: the trick of the mind for remaining sane... You see "Dream Sequence by Salvador Dali" in the credits and you get excited! Hitch is doing some things with this one. We're going super psychological with it. Like SUPER psychological. Gregory Peck doesn't remember who he is, but he's convinced he's a murderer. Ingrid Bergman is convinced that he isn't...and that he's sane. How does it all shake out? We watch, find out, and discuss!

Does It Get Any Easier? (Cutting Room Floor #207)

May 23, 2024 10:00 - 43 minutes - 30.3 MB

It's so, sooooo hard when you're starting out. We all look forward to the day where it gets easier. The thought of the work just pumping out of us, amazing and free, kinda keeps us going in those early, dark, hard days. But...DOES it get any easier? We ask each other and discuss. Also, Josh recommends The Terror Season 1, and Ira recommends Eurotrip, and The Three Amigos, the latter of which is on Prime.

Lifeboat (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #30)

May 20, 2024 19:13 - 1 hour - 73.4 MB

Dying together's even more personal than living together... Hitchcock plays with setting this time around, confining his ENTIRE FILM to a single lifeboat. And it doesn't pull any punches. Dead babies, murder, suicide, paranoia, love, hate, desperation, and brutal violence...it all takes place on that tiny boat. This film really goes for it. We watch and discuss!

Advice For An Aspiring Writer (Cutting Room Floor #206)

May 17, 2024 03:28 - 44 minutes - 30.9 MB

So you want to be a writer. You're interested in a life of storytelling. Long term. What do you need to know? Or, as someone who's already dedicated themselves to a lifetime of spinning tales, what would you say to someone who was interested in doing the same? As a pair that fall into the latter, Josh and Ira discuss! Also, Josh recommends The Angry Video Game Nerd (originally The Angry Nintendo Nerd) on YouTube, and Ira recommends Baby Reindeer on Netflix.

Shadow of a Doubt (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #29)

May 13, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 76.9 MB

The cities are full of women... Alfred transports us to small-town America this time, a land of unlocked doors, everyone knows everyone, and the world is full of innocence. But then Uncle Charlie comes home, and all that idealism starts to unravel. Uncle Charlie is hiding something. He might not be who young "Charlie" (Charlotte) thought he was. Hitchcock is on record as saying this is his personal favorite of his films. We watch and discuss!

A Good Kick In The Ass (Cutting Room Floor #205)

May 09, 2024 10:00 - 36 minutes - 25.1 MB

An ass-kicking never feels good! It hurts every time. And yet, especially in the creative sense, we all need to be told when we're doing something wrong; we all need to be humbled. So...how can getting your ass kicked be a good thing? If the pain is the same either way, how can you tell constructive criticism from just a plain whoopin'? We discuss! Also, Josh recommends Rifftrax on Pluto TV, and Ira recommends Fallout on Prime.

Saboteur (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #28)

May 06, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 65.5 MB

Must I remind you that *you* are the fugitive from justice and not I? It's The 39 Steps: Part 2! Hitchcock returns to what is clearly a favorite premise: an innocent man on the run from a criminal conspiracy with the fate of the country at stake. This time, we're in American, and there's a real-world war going on. So...how does it shake out? Does Alfred raise the bar from his first go-round? What has he learned since the last time he did this story? We watch and discuss!

Remembering Greatness, Forgetting the Rest (Cutting Room Floor #204)

May 02, 2024 16:19 - 55 minutes - 38.7 MB

400 episodes! Wild. This week, we're tackling the question of bad vs good vs great from the angle of seeking out new books, TV, and Film. It can be a hard road! Most stuff out there isn't great...so, how does one keep going, keep up the enthusiasm? We discuss what's worked for us. Also, Josh recommends Robodoc, which is currently on Tubi, and Ira recommends The Terror on AMC+ (and Blu-Ray/DVD).

Suspicion (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #27)

April 29, 2024 22:59 - 55 minutes - 76.8 MB

There was something strange about Johnny Asgarth... We're back to the realm of suspense, paranoia, and murder. Or...is it? That's the question Joan Fontaine must answer when she marries the charming but mysterious Cary Grant: IS he trying to kill her? A return to form, perhaps, after Hitchcock's last jaunt through screwball comedy, and it's the first hook up between Hitch and Grant, doubly interesting because Grant--up to this point--was mostly known for comedy. So, how do they do? We watc...

Commanding Intelligence (Cutting Room Floor #203)

April 25, 2024 10:00 - 51 minutes - 36 MB

Can you fall in love, deeply in love love, with somebody you know isn't as smart as you are? We're not talking about pets, or kids, inanimate objects, or even sexual attraction. We're talking about grown-up, head over heels, enduring, inspiring LOVE. Can you? Interesting, huh? You can't, can you? Stories are the same way. All the best stories open our minds, expand our worlds, and command our intelligence. So...how do you do that? Also, Josh again recommends South Park currently available ...

Mr. and Mrs. Smith (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #26)

April 22, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 63.6 MB

If you had it all to do over again, would you have married me? Hitch takes on married life in its screwball form! These comedies were very popular at the time (see: Grant and Hepburn in Bringing Up Baby), so it's not surprising that our British Director, fresh in Hollywood, would take on such a project. Given his hit and (mostly) miss track record with comedy, how does this effort shake out? We dive in and discuss!

The Wrong Direction (Cutting Room Floor #202)

April 18, 2024 10:00 - 40 minutes - 28.4 MB

How do you know when you've gone in the wrong direction? What are the signs? And when you realize that you have, what do you do? Josh and Ira share their own personal insights on this question, covering the spectrum of a chronic over-planner to leaping-before-looking impulsiveness. Also, Josh recommends South Park currently available on Prime, and Ira recommends Constellation on Apple TV+.

Foreign Correspondent (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #25)

April 15, 2024 10:00 - 58 minutes - 53.8 MB

There's a crime hatching on that bedeviled continent... World War II is in full swing when this movie releases. Or, at least it is in Europe. London is being bombed, and Hitchcock can't help but feel, well, helpless. And guilty for not being there. This film, more than any he's made to this point, truly reflects the time in which it was made: an American reporter is sent overseas to report on the brewing political situation and becomes embroiled in an assassination plot. We discuss!

The Elements of a Great Film (Cutting Room Floor #201)

April 11, 2024 10:00 - 35 minutes - 24.6 MB

What makes a good movie? What are the things that stand out? We all have our own personal versions of the answer to this question. Josh and Ira each answer for themselves without getting into the weeds as much as possible. Also, Josh recommends Somebody Feed Phil on Netflix, and Ira recommends Tarkovsky's Stalker on Max.

Rebecca (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #24)

April 08, 2024 10:00 - 59 minutes - 54.9 MB

Do you think the dead come back and watch the living? Mr. Hitchcock is in Hollywood! Alfred makes his first film in the States, and holy crap does he have some fun with his budget. Everything tinsel town had to offer in 1940 is on display: star power, massive sets, camera tricks, sweeping score, and even FIRE. It's a moody, gothic horror story to boot. Does it all come together? We discuss!

Hitchcock's British Period Takeaways (Cutting Room Floor #200)

April 04, 2024 10:00 - 57 minutes - 39.5 MB

Hitchcock is moving to Hollywood! As the master of suspense makes his way west, we're taking a pause here to look back on his period in Britain. 13 years. 24 films (one of which has been lost since). An era that saw him struggle to fit in, thrive as technology developed and ambition increased, and eventually find his "thing." What are the ups and downs? We discuss! Also, Josh recommends Jungle on Prime, and Ira recommends Touching The Void on Pluto TV.

Jamaica Inn (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #23)

April 01, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 60.5 MB

CHAAADWIIIICK??!! Hitch teams up with dynamo actor Charles Laughton for a tale of piracy, lies, and corruption. The stage actor is riveting, even if the film has its flaws, and apparently he and Alfred had a hard time working together. There's a lot to like with Jamaica Inn! More than we expected. And certainly lots to criticize. We discuss it all.

White Lies (Cutting Room Floor #199)

March 28, 2024 10:00 - 58 minutes - 40.1 MB

A small lie. A sentence I didn't actually write, or a shot I didn't really shoot that I pass off as my own. Or I didn't actually do something the way I said I did. How big of a deal are these kinds of lies or omissions? Do they really matter? How truthful do we need to be with those who consume our work? Where is the line? We discuss! Also, Josh recommends Slings & Arrows, and Ira recommends The Boys on Prime.

The Lady Vanishes (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #22)

March 25, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 61.3 MB

Nuns don't wear high heels... A woman has disappeared into thin air, on a train no less. But when Iris Henderson reports it, nobody believes her. In fact, nobody on the train even knows who she's talking about. So, what gives? Is Iris crazy? Or is everyone else? This dilemma caps off a pretty solid run of Hitchcock's later British period that's seen him lock into his lane: suspense. So...how successful is this one? Can he keep us on the edge of our seat? We watch and find out!

Good vs. Great (Cutting Room Floor #198)

March 21, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 46.5 MB

What's the difference between good...and great? Think about how each of those words makes you feel. The contrast is pretty dramatic, isn't it? Like, MILES different, not inches. So, if the difference between good and great is massive, how do we make the leap between the two? Is it possible? We discuss! Also, Josh recommends Oppenheimer, currently in theaters, and Ira recommends True Detective: Night Country on HBO and Max.

Young and Innocent (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #21)

March 18, 2024 10:00 - 56 minutes - 52 MB

Oh Robert, if only things would turn out all right... A woman's body washes ashore. A young man is seen fleeing from the sight of it. But...did he do it? That's the question the local constable's daughter must answer, even as she finds herself falling for him. Sounds like vintage, bang-on Hitchcock doesn't it??? So, how effective is this one? How much has Hitch developed his skills? We watch and discuss! 

You Need A Shock-Proof Sh*t Detector (Cutting Room Floor #197)

March 14, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 41.6 MB

Ernest Hemingway famously once said: "The most essential gift for a good writer is a built-in, shockproof, shit detector." We all must be able to distinguish between good storytelling and bad storytelling. So...how strong is yours? (hint: it's probably super strong) And once you've got one that's working, how do you actually USE it to make your work better and not just send you running for the hills? We talk about it. Also, Josh recommends Love On The Spectrum on Netflix, and Ira recommend...

Sabotage (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #20)

March 11, 2024 10:00 - 1 hour - 62.7 MB

What goes on after hours in that cinema of yours...? Alfred takes on Joseph Conrad's popular novel The Secret Agent, about a man who's tasked with planting a bomb in London to create fear and terror. In this adaptation, he owns a movie theater, a detective from Scotland Yard is onto him and falling for his wife, and the motivations behind the conspiracy are nebulous. So, does it work? Do Hitch's tweaks build the drama to a fever pitch, or do they fall flat? We watch and discuss!

How To Create Great Side Characters (Cutting Room Floor #196)

March 07, 2024 11:00 - 44 minutes - 25.6 MB

Frodo had Sam. Luke had Artoo. Harry had Ron and Hermione. Side characters are just as important to a well-told story as the main characters are. So, how do you make a great one? And what's the trap, sometimes, of a side character who's more interesting, more active than even your hero? We discuss! Also, Josh recommends Love On The Spectrum on Netflix, and Ira recommends The Last Repair Shop on Disney+

Secret Agent (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #19)

March 04, 2024 11:00 - 1 hour - 58.2 MB

General Pompellio Montezuma De La Vilia De Conde De La Rue! Peter Lorre is back, this time as a sidekick assassin who goes by the name "The Hairless Mexican," and "The General," of which he is neither. Hitch has been on a roll with his newfound focus on suspenseful fare. How does this one stack up against the previous two breakthroughs? We watch and discuss!

If You Could Travel Anywhere (Cutting Room Floor #195)

February 29, 2024 11:00 - 39 minutes - 23 MB

If you could travel anywhere in the world, where would you go? What would top your list? Money is no object, neither is time. Dream as big as you want. Also, Josh recommends Deep Space Nine on Pluto TV and Paramount+, and Ira recommends both versions of Suspiria; the new film is on Prime, and the original is on Tubi.

The 39 Steps (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #18)

February 26, 2024 11:00 - 1 hour - 63 MB

Beautiful, mysterious woman pursued by gunmen. Sounds like a spy story... Widely considered to be the first modern spy movie ever made, Hitchcock is leaning into his strengths yet again (huzzah!): murder, conspiracy, and a man on the run. This time, its Robert Donat who's world is turned upside down in a single night when a mysterious woman asks for his help, and then ends up killed in his apartment. Can he clear his name before the police lock him up? Perhaps. But first, he has to figure ...

What is a Framing Device? (Cutting Room Floor #194)

February 22, 2024 20:00 - 43 minutes - 30.4 MB

Framing devices can be a powerful storytelling tool...but what ARE they? What is an "epistolary," or a "flashback" or an "unreliable narrator"? And whyyyy would we use them? What effect can they have on a story? We talk about it! Also, Josh recommends the animated series Justice League which is currently on Netflix and Max, and Ira recommends Andor, which is currently on Disney+.

The Man Who Knew Too Much (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #17)

February 19, 2024 11:00 - 1 hour - 61.2 MB

Goodbye for the last time. What could be more touching than that? Peter Lorre. That's the first thing to know about this movie: Peter. Lorre. Hitch teams up with his first truly enduring star, someone we still know to this day, and they're off on an adventure of spies, murders, conspiracies, and kidnappings. Off the heels of what even he calls his lowest point career-wise and artistically, Alfred scores a massive hit, a film frequently referred to as his 'breakthrough.' So...does Hitch FIN...

How Personal Should Your Story Be? (Cutting Room Floor #193)

February 15, 2024 11:00 - 1 hour - 39.6 MB

We all know the power of a personal story when we encounter one. Nothing cuts like the truth. But, turning that lens to our own work...just how personal should our own work be? Is it possible to be too personal? Sure seems like it is. By the same token, it seems even easier to not be nearly personal enough, which leaves our audience cold and confused. So, how to we navigate getting personal with our work? We discuss! Also, Josh recommends Rifftrax on PlutoTV, and Ira recommends Babylon 5 a...

Waltzes From Vienna (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #16)

February 12, 2024 11:00 - 1 hour - 65.6 MB

And now the polka, you worms. Hitchcock makes a musical! ...kinda. It's an operetta, which were very much in fashion at the time; a little music, a little dancing, and a love story at the center. This one centers around a highly-fictionalized version of how "The Blue Danube" was written in 19th-century Vienna. So, can Hitchcock do song and dance? We watch and find out!

What Makes A Great Hero? (Cutting Room Floor #192)

February 08, 2024 11:00 - 50 minutes - 35.2 MB

Who are the heroes that got under your skin, that live with you well past watching or reading the story, the heroes that changed you? Why? Why did they stick with you? And in thinking about/asking those questions, how can we apply the answers to our own storytelling? This week, we dive in on how to create a great protagonist. Also, Josh recommends WWE Wrestling on Peacock, and Ira recommends Only Murders in the Building on Hulu.

Number Seventeen (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #15)

February 05, 2024 11:00 - 58 minutes - 54.4 MB

Ya don't have to do nothin' in this 'ere house - ya stand still and things happen! Cutting to the chase here: this miiight be Hitchcock's first truly terrible film. It's a bit baffling how clumsy it is given how many films he's made before this, several of them decent, and perhaps one or two of them even good. But this one...it's so convoluted, so full of cliche, non sequitur, reveal, and reverse uno after reverse uno that it ends up completely nonsensical. This week, we dive into Hitchcoc...

What is the Best Time to Create? (Cutting Room Floor #191)

February 01, 2024 11:00 - 46 minutes - 32.2 MB

Do you have a time of day (or night) where you find that you're the most creative? What about times that are consistently free? Or have the least number of distractions? Finding a reliable pocket of your day in which you can do your creative work can be a superpower. On this episode, Josh and Ira discuss what's worked and not worked for them. Also, Josh recommends Star Trek: Voyager on PlutoTV, and Ira recommends Buried on Netflix.

Rich and Strange (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #14)

January 29, 2024 11:00 - 59 minutes - 54.4 MB

I want some of the good things of life... Hitch definitely tries something a little different with this one: it's a comedy drama this time--not nearly the silly farces he's tried to this point on the comedy side, and certainly nothing as dark as murder on the drama side. It's a rags to riches to rags tale with the beating heart of a love story. So, does it work? Let's watch and find out!

Sympathetic or Unsympathetic Villains? (Cutting Room Floor #190)

January 25, 2024 11:00 - 31 minutes - 21.6 MB

There's much ado these days about making your villain's point of view a sympathetic one. After all, everyone is the hero of their own narrative. But...what about all those villains who are just, you know, assh*les? DO you have to make your villain sympathetic??? We discuss! Also, Josh recommends Seinfeld on Netflix, and Ira recommends Cheers on PlutoTV.

The Skin Game (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #13)

January 22, 2024 11:00 - 48 minutes - 44.9 MB

What's gentility worth if it can't stand fire? This film is about the revolution in "Industrial Revolution." An old school landowning family finds their idyllic country world being invaded by a young-money industrialist. A feud develops. And grows. And grows until it sucks everyone down into the muck. It's very...high-minded, prestige-type fare for the young Hitch. How does he handle it? We watch and find out!

Hitchcock's Silent Era Takeaways (Cutting Room Floor #189)

January 18, 2024 11:00 - 1 hour - 47.8 MB

Not everyone is aware that Hitchcock actually started making movies all the way back in Britain’s 1920s silent era. Now that we’ve watched all of those films (that are available, anyway), we take a look back and think about what we’ve learned. What takeaways can we glean, not just about Hitchcock, but about the film industry in general, and–dare we say–ourselves? We discuss! Also, Josh recommends Peaky Blinders on Netflix, and Ira recommends Andor on Disney+. (note: for anyone listening ...

Mary (Alfred Hitchcock Deep Dive #12)

January 15, 2024 11:00 - 41 minutes - 38.6 MB

Das ist kein Theaterstück, das ist das Leben. The 1930s were a wild era in film. The industry was exploding; there was a ton of money to be made, especially in foreign markets...if you could figure out a way to get your movie into the local language...like German! Because sound couldn't be added after the fact yet, this meant literally making your movie over again with a different (German) script, different (German) actors, on the same sets. Hence, Mary, the German version of Murder!, a mo...

2024 Resolutions Goals & Intentions (Cutting Room Floor #188)

January 08, 2024 17:41 - 1 hour - 45.9 MB

Happy New Year! Lots of fun stuff to come on the podcast this year, and for Josh and Ira personally. We talk about what the year-to-come has in store. What’s on the horizon for you?

2023 Retrospective Year In Review (Cutting Room Floor #187)

December 28, 2023 20:00 - 1 hour - 53.8 MB

As we turn the page on 2023, we take a look back on the last FIVE YEARS that we've done this exercise, and we consider how far we've come, and how that affects what we think of this year. It was a banner year in some ways, and a difficult one in others. We discuss what this year means for us, and we invite you to consider how 2023 has been for you. How far have you come? What will you remember 2023 for? What were the highs and lows? We talk about it all. Join us in!

A Muppet Christmas Carol

December 23, 2023 19:52 - 47 minutes - 43.5 MB

God bless us, everyone! Jim Henson's Muppets take on the Dickens classic holiday tale of the humbug-miser who discovers that generosity is not only the way to live Christmas, but to live your entire life. Michael Caine plays Scrooge, Kermie plays Bob Cratchit, and Gonzo is our narrator...shenanigans, hilarity, and life lessons ensue. It was the first muppet movie made without Jim. Is the magic still there? (yes.) We discuss!

White Christmas

December 18, 2023 11:00 - 51 minutes - 47.5 MB

I'm dreaming of a white christmas... Kinda wild we haven't watched this classic yet. Not all old musical, romantic comedies translate to the modern era. So much has changed in how we feel about love, what is good comedy, and the holidays. AND YET...there is something absolutely magical about the way old movies are able to transport us somewhere warm, fuzzy, charming, and irresistable. White Christmas certainly falls into that category. It's a must-watch, and worthy of a place on our TV scr...