Everything In Between

The Round Table ft. Chris Nye and Naseem Khalili

We are back! Kind of. Enjoy this round table discussion with Chris Nye and Naseem Khalili where we discuss the issues are facing our faith today. We discuss politics, life for the church post-pandemic, and deconstruction. The podcast will be back soon! Also check Naseem's podcast Nas-Talgia out, it is amazing.  Season 4 of Everything In Between TBA!

D.L. Mayfield

D.L. Mayfield author of Myth of the American Dream and Assimilate or Go Home. And a sad sad week... Jessica's last episode as co-host. We spend time reminiscing and sharing memories of having her on the podcast.  Stay tuned for what's next for the podcast! 

Vivian Mabuni

Vivian Mabuni author of Open Hands Willing Hearts and our Cru colleague! In this episode we talk about her story, ministry journey, surviving cancer and much much more. And then, Jessica and Daniel discuss the term "white blessings"... ALSO. Support Your Friends this week is our dear friend Thrifty Mindy! Check her out here: https://www.instagram.com/thriftymindyy/

Dr. Efrem Smith

We are back with, Dr. Efrem Smith! He is the pastor of Bay Side Church Midtown and CEO of World Impact. He’s the author of several books, including his latest, “Killing Us Softly.”

An Update For This Week

An update for this week. #BlackLivesMatter Listen to Jemar Tisby's episode here. Listen to Karen Gonzalez's episode here. Listen to Sandra Van Opstal's episode here. Listen to Propaganda and Dr. Alma Petty's episode here. 

Fred Mok

Fred Mok, Church planter of Quicksilver Church in the Bay Area. Where do we begin with this tank top wearing, Jesus loving, sweet man? Well we begin with this podcast, which was attempted three times! In this episode, Fred and Daniel explore their deep rooted friendship and Fred's soon to be church, Quicksilver.  After the episode, Jessica and Daniel talk about how we should respond to consistent  racial injustices and deaths of Black people that plague our country. To learn more about Fr...

Trillia Newbell

This week on the program we have the wonderful Trillia Newbell! Trillia has done so much that the question is, what hasn't she done? The answer, not much. She been involved in politics, once was a journalist, now author, broadcaster, and former fitness coach. Truly a talented woman that tells stories that point to the Cross, and we loved talking to her! After the program, Jessica and Daniel talk about reopening churches, Daniel's elbow shenanigans, celery juice, and of course we support our...

Tullian Tchividjian

Tullian Tchividjian, pastor of Sanctuary Church in Florida. Author of One Way Love. Grandson of the man, the myth Billy Graham. Tullian, is a pastor who has a story to tell and we loved having him on to discuss life, redemption, and grace. Jess and Daniel talk after the episode about the ending of an era, Jess moving and her no longer being Daniel's boss... Support You Friends this week is Weekend Creative they produce amazing content, including PMS vitamins, trust me. 

Dr. Soong-Chan Rah

Dr. Soong-Chan Rah author of The Next Evangelicalism and Prophetic Lament and professor at North Park University in Chicago. Dr. Soong-Chan Rah is easily the smartest person we have ever had on the program, he has degrees from Harvard, Columbia, Gordon Conwell, and Duke. Daniel talks with him about lamenting, doctrine of discovery, and how he was able to go to college forever... Jessica and Daniel discuss lamenting and victory after the interview and we support our friend Chris Chu!  This ...

Ruth Haley Barton

She. Is. Here. RHB. This week we have on everyones hero, Ruth Haley Barton. Ruth has authored several books including her most recent work, Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership. We talk with Ruth about the rhythms of solitude and silence, having grace on our attempts to be with Jesus, teams (well shouldn't call them that), and how to look for hope in a pandemic. We celebrate, mourn, and laugh. Enjoy. Jessica catches us up on the move. Daniel keeps blogging, and Naseem Khalili makes...

Science Mike (Mike McHargue)

We have the behemoth on this week, the one, the only, Science Mike (or Mike Mchargue). Mike is known for his work with the Liturgist podcast and his own endeavors. Catch his new book You're a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass): Embracing the Emotions, Habits, and Mystery That Make You You.  Daniel talks with Mike about his life in and out of church. Jess and Daniel share updates and "I love you Kenny" make his first appearance!

Jay Y. Kim

Annnndddd....We. Are. Back!  Daniel and Jessica wanted to give the people some quarantine content! Jessica shares and update about her slow fade from the podcast. Daniel is blogging and cooking. In the interview Daniel talks with his soon to be friend Jay Y. Kim. Jay is the recent author of Analog Church. The book talks about the importance of church being about real people with real relationships in real time. Daniel and Jay have quite the convo. Jay's Book. Daniel' Blog.  Scott edited...

In Between with the Team

In the season 2 finale Daniel, Jess, Scott, and Sara sit down to talk about the highlights of season 2!!  We talk about our fav Christmas gifts, The Scratch hot chicken sandwiches, and our favorite episodes.   Also! Daniel has a new website, danieljkunkel.com <http://danieljkunkel.com/>   Host, Daniel Kunkel (http://shorturl.at/exIZ1)  Co-Host, Jessica Senbetu (http://shorturl.at/gjLO7)  Producer, Scott Bolin (http://shorturl.at/kloX9)  Graphics, Gabe Senbetu (http://shorturl.at/ikJR7)...

The EIB Team

In the season 2 finale Daniel, Jess, Scott, and Sara sit down to talk about the highlights of season 2!!  We talk about our fav Christmas gifts, The Scratch hot chicken sandwiches, and our favorite episodes.   Also! Daniel has a new website, danieljkunkel.com <http://danieljkunkel.com/>   Host, Daniel Kunkel (http://shorturl.at/exIZ1)  Co-Host, Jessica Senbetu (http://shorturl.at/gjLO7)  Producer, Scott Bolin (http://shorturl.at/kloX9)  Graphics, Gabe Senbetu (http://shorturl.at/ikJR7)...

In Between with Caroline Cobb

In episode 19 Daniel sits down with Caroline Cobb. Caroline is a singer-songwriter. She has released five music projects. Her most recent EP is Tell That Story. Recently The Gospel Coalition said that Caroline was one of the top artist of the decade.   After the episode Daniel and Jessica talk about their meeting experiences and Daniel’s graduation!  Listen to Caroline Cobb here: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1qjWvtEJlR1dAEAL4A3IOM?si=e34_IY0DQG2l6gFtcTIl3A  Host, Daniel Kunkel (http://...

Caroline Cobb

In episode 19 Daniel sits down with Caroline Cobb. Caroline is a singer-songwriter. She has released five music projects. Her most recent EP is Tell That Story. Recently The Gospel Coalition said that Caroline was one of the top artist of the decade.   After the episode Daniel and Jessica talk about their meeting experiences and Daniel’s graduation!  Listen to Caroline Cobb here: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1qjWvtEJlR1dAEAL4A3IOM?si=e34_IY0DQG2l6gFtcTIl3A  Host, Daniel Kunkel (http://...

Dr. Heather Holleman

In episode 18 Daniel and Jessica sits down with Heather Holleman PhD. Heather teaches writing at Penn State. She works for a Cru ministry called Faculty Commons and has written several books including, Seated with Christ.  After the episode Daniel and Jessica talk about raising support for ministries.   Find out more about Heather Holleman, http://heatherholleman.com <http://heatherholleman.com/>  Host, Daniel Kunkel (http://shorturl.at/exIZ1)  Co-Host, Jessica Senbetu (http://shorturl.a...

In Between with Dr. Heather Holleman

In episode 18 Daniel and Jessica sits down with Heather Holleman PhD. Heather teaches writing at Penn State. She works for a Cru ministry called Faculty Commons and has written several books including, Seated with Christ.  After the episode Daniel and Jessica talk about raising support for ministries.   Find out more about Heather Holleman, http://heatherholleman.com <http://heatherholleman.com/>  Host, Daniel Kunkel (http://shorturl.at/exIZ1)  Co-Host, Jessica Senbetu (http://shorturl.a...

Dr. Russell Moore

In episode 17 Daniel sits down with Dr. Russell Moore. Dr. Moore is the president of the Ethic and Religious Liberty Commission. He works with presidents, senators, and policy makers. He has written several books, most recently The Stormed-Tossed Family (2018). After the episode Daniel shares an update of a break in he experienced this week. Plus his friend Rob joins the program!  Find out more about Dr. Russell Moore: https://www.russellmoore.com Check out Rob’s podcasts: Basketball Sta...

In Between with Dr. Russell Moore

In episode 17 Daniel sits down with Dr. Russell Moore. Dr. Moore is the president of the Ethic and Religious Liberty Commission. He works with presidents, senators, and policy makers. He has written several books, most recently The Stormed-Tossed Family (2018). After the episode Daniel shares an update of a break in he experienced this week. Plus his friend Rob joins the program!  Find out more about Dr. Russell Moore: https://www.russellmoore.com Check out Rob’s podcasts: Basketball Sta...

Sandra Van Opstal

In episode 16 we sit-down with Sandra Van Opstal. Sandra Maria Van Opstal, a second-generation Latina, pastors at Grace and Peace Community on the west-side of Chicago.  She is a preacher, liturgist and activist who re-imagining the intersection of worship and justice. In this episode Daniel and Jess discuss with Sandra about being an activist in order to change how we worship. After the episode, special guest Seth (Daniel’s Dad) makes an appearance, and Daniel Jess discuss the burdens that...

In Between with Sandra Van Opstal

In episode 16 we sit-down with Sandra Van Opstal. Sandra Maria Van Opstal, a second-generation Latina, pastors at Grace and Peace Community on the west-side of Chicago.  She is a preacher, liturgist and activist who re-imagining the intersection of worship and justice. In this episode Daniel and Jess discuss with Sandra about being an activist in order to change how we worship. After the episode, special guest Seth (Daniel’s Dad) makes an appearance, and Daniel Jess discuss the burdens that...

In Between with Tim Mackie of The Bible Project

In episode 15 we sit-down with Youtuber, theologian, and all around amazing man, Tim Mackie. Tim co-founded the Bible Project in 2012 on Youtube. The project takes complex stories of the Bible and explains them in a very understandable way over the most amazing animation. Recently, the Bible Project hit one million subscribers on Youtube.   In this episode we discuss with Tim his story, how the Bible Project came to be. We ask Tim about topics like evolution and inerrancy. After the episode ...

Tim Mackie of The Bible Project

In episode 15 we sit-down with Youtuber, theologian, and all around amazing man, Tim Mackie. Tim co-founded the Bible Project in 2012 on Youtube. The project takes complex stories of the Bible and explains them in a very understandable way over the most amazing animation. Recently, the Bible Project hit one million subscribers on Youtube.   In this episode we discuss with Tim his story, how the Bible Project came to be. We ask Tim about topics like evolution and inerrancy. After the episode ...

In Between with Propaganda & Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty

Propaganda Returns with Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty

In Between with Dr. Derwin Gray

In episode 13 Daniel sits down with Pastor Dr. Derwin Gray. Dr. Gray is the lead pastor at Transformation Church in South Carolina. Dr. Gray is a former NFL player and author of many books including The High Definition Leader: Building Multiethnic Churches in a Multiethnic World (2015). Daniel talks with Dr. Gray about his story, from being in the NFL, to becoming a lead pastor, how does a church become multi-ethnic, and the comments made about Beth Moore. After the episode, Daniel and Jess...

Dr. Derwin Gray

In episode 13 Daniel sits down with Pastor Dr. Derwin Gray. Dr. Gray is the lead pastor at Transformation Church in South Carolina. Dr. Gray is a former NFL player and author of many books including The High Definition Leader: Building Multiethnic Churches in a Multiethnic World (2015). Daniel talks with Dr. Gray about his story, from being in the NFL, to becoming a lead pastor, how does a church become multi-ethnic, and the comments made about Beth Moore. After the episode, Daniel and Jess...

In Between with Hillsong's Brenden Brown

In episode 12 Daniel and Jessica sit down with Pastor Brenden Brown. Brenden is the campus pastor at Hillsong San Fransisco. Brenden and his family are from Australia and moved to San Fransisco to start a Hillsong campus.   Daniel and Jessica talk with Brenden about his story, leadership in the church, doubt, and Hillsong theology. After the episode, Daniel and Jessica AND a special guest, Gabe (Jessica’s husband) talk about how churches should help those struggling with doubt.   Find out ...

Brenden Brown of Hillsong

In episode 12 Daniel and Jessica sit down with Pastor Brenden Brown. Brenden is the campus pastor at Hillsong San Fransisco. Brenden and his family are from Australia and moved to San Fransisco to start a Hillsong campus.   Daniel and Jessica talk with Brenden about his story, leadership in the church, doubt, and Hillsong theology. After the episode, Daniel and Jessica AND a special guest, Gabe (Jessica’s husband) talk about how churches should help those struggling with doubt.   Find out ...

In Between with Ashley Petrone

In episode 11 we sit-down with Instagram mogul Ashley Petrone! Ashley is a interior designer and runs the Instagram account @arrowsandbow that has over a quarter of a million followers! She is a stay at home mom and documents everyday life as a boss interior designer.   In this episode we discuss with Ashley the highs and lows of the influencer life, how to be your true self online, and how to deal with negativity. After the episode Jessica and Daniel discuss their own personal battles with...

Ashley Petrone

In episode 11 we sit-down with Instagram mogul Ashley Petrone! Ashley is a interior designer and runs the Instagram account @arrowsandbow that has over a quarter of a million followers! She is a stay at home mom and documents everyday life as a boss interior designer.   In this episode we discuss with Ashley the highs and lows of the influencer life, how to be your true self online, and how to deal with negativity. After the episode Jessica and Daniel discuss their own personal battles with...

Kareem Manual

In episode ten we sit down with Kareem Manuel of We. Society. Kareem grew up in Chicago. He has pastored churches, performed for thousands as a hip hop artist, started companies, and everything in between. Now he lives in Atlanta growing the We. Society loving his neighbors, spending time with his family, managing artists, and always dreaming up new ways to help people rally around good causes. Kareem Manuel started We. as a way to get his music to the people. The concept was birthed out of ...

In Between with Kareem Manual

In episode ten we sit down with Kareem Manuel of We. Society. Kareem grew up in Chicago. He has pastored churches, performed for thousands as a hip hop artist, started companies, and everything in between. Now he lives in Atlanta growing the We. Society loving his neighbors, spending time with his family, managing artists, and always dreaming up new ways to help people rally around good causes. Kareem Manuel started We. as a way to get his music to the people. The concept was birthed out of ...

Nancy Ortberg Returns

In episode nine Daniel and Jessica sit down with Nancy Ortberg. Nancy is the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ in the Bay Area. Nancy is also our first guest repeat! Nancy has written several books including, Looking for God (2015) and Seeing in the Dark (2015).  In this episode Daniel and Jessica talk to Nancy about the enneagram, the perks of the constructivist movement, and the dark side of leadership.   To learn more about what Nancy does check out TBC:  http://www.tbc.city/abou...

In Between with Nancy Ortberg

In episode nine Daniel and Jessica sit down with Nancy Ortberg. Nancy is the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ in the Bay Area. Nancy is also our first guest repeat! Nancy has written several books including, Looking for God (2015) and Seeing in the Dark (2015).  In this episode Daniel and Jessica talk to Nancy about the enneagram, the perks of the constructivist movement, and the dark side of leadership.   To learn more about what Nancy does check out TBC:  http://www.tbc.city/abou...

Chad Gardner of Kings Kaleidoscope

In episode eight Daniel sits down with Chad Gardner, the lead singer of Kings Kaleidoscope. Chad has released four albums that have topped the U.S Christian charts. In April, 2019, Chad with Kings Kaleidoscope released "Zeal”, their fourth studio album that focuses on recapturing the wonder of faith.  In this episode Daniel talks to Chad about how to move from apathy to action in faith. They share their seasons of deconstructing their faith and after the episode, Jessica and Daniel discuss ...

In Between with Chad Gardner of Kings Kaleidoscope

In episode eight Daniel sits down with Chad Gardner, the lead singer of Kings Kaleidoscope. Chad has released four albums that have topped the U.S Christian charts. In April, 2019, Chad with Kings Kaleidoscope released "Zeal”, their fourth studio album that focuses on recapturing the wonder of faith.  In this episode Daniel talks to Chad about how to move from apathy to action in faith. They share their seasons of deconstructing their faith and after the episode, Jessica and Daniel discuss ...

Karen Gonzalez

In episode 7 we sit down with Karen Gonzalez is a speaker, writer, and immigrant advocate, who herself immigrated from Guatemala as a child. Karen is a former public school teacher and attended Fuller Theological Seminary, where she studied theology and missiology. For the last 11 years, she has been a non-profit professional, currently working for World Relief, an organization that serves immigrants and refugees. She wrote a book about her own immigration story and the many immigrants found...

In Between with Karen Gonzalez

In episode 7 we sit down with Karen Gonzalez is a speaker, writer, and immigrant advocate, who herself immigrated from Guatemala as a child. Karen is a former public school teacher and attended Fuller Theological Seminary, where she studied theology and missiology. For the last 11 years, she has been a non-profit professional, currently working for World Relief, an organization that serves immigrants and refugees. She wrote a book about her own immigration story and the many immigrants found...

In Between with Liz Ditty

In episode six we sit down with author Liz Ditty. Liz is the author of God’s Many Voices. She is on staff with WestGate church in the Bay Area and speaks nationally.  In this episode we discuss Liz’s story, Christian cults, and Liz’s personal journey in the church. After the episode Jessica and Daniel discuss women’s roles in the church and Jessica’s personal story with stepping into leadership.  Find out more about Liz: https://www.lizditty.com UPDATES: WE HAVE A WEBSITE!!!!, eibpodcast....

Liz Ditty

In episode six we sit down with author Liz Ditty. Liz is the author of God’s Many Voices. She is on staff with WestGate church in the Bay Area and speaks nationally.  In this episode we discuss Liz’s story, Christian cults, and Liz’s personal journey in the church. After the episode Jessica and Daniel discuss women’s roles in the church and Jessica’s personal story with stepping into leadership.  Find out more about Liz: https://www.lizditty.com UPDATES: WE HAVE A WEBSITE!!!!, eibpodcast....

Chris Nye

In episode five we sit down with the most lovable and intelligent human ever, our dear friend Chris Nye. Chris is a pastor at Awakening Church in Silicon Valley. He has written two fabulous books, Distant God and Less of More.   In this episode we learn about Chris and how he became a pastor and a writer. Chris teaches us about his experiences in ministry and how he checks his privilege. Also, Jessica and Daniel spend 20 minutes in the introduction discussing their love for Chris. Please en...

In Between with Chris Nye

In episode five we sit down with the most lovable and intelligent human ever, our dear friend Chris Nye. Chris is a pastor at Awakening Church in Silicon Valley. He has written two fabulous books, Distant God and Less of More.   In this episode we learn about Chris and how he became a pastor and a writer. Chris teaches us about his experiences in ministry and how he checks his privilege. Also, Jessica and Daniel spend 20 minutes in the introduction discussing their love for Chris. Please en...

Jemar Tisby

In episode four, Daniel sits down with Jemar Tisby. Jemar is the president of The Witness: A Black Christian Collective and the author of The Color Of Compromise (2019). He is also the co-host of the podcast Pass The Mic. Jemar is a PhD student in History at the University of Mississippi studying race, religion, and social movements in the twentieth century. Daniel and Jemar discuss racism within the Church and the complicated histories of heroes like Billy Graham and Jonathan Edwards. Jemar...

In Between with Jemar Tisby

In episode four, Daniel sits down with Jemar Tisby. Jemar is the president of The Witness: A Black Christian Collective and the author of The Color Of Compromise (2019). He is also the co-host of the podcast Pass The Mic. Jemar is a PhD student in History at the University of Mississippi studying race, religion, and social movements in the twentieth century. Daniel and Jemar discuss racism within the Church and the complicated histories of heroes like Billy Graham and Jonathan Edwards. Jemar...

In Between with Gloria Furman

In this episode Daniel sits down with Gloria Furman! Gloria Furman is a wife, mother of four, and writer. Gloria and her family moved to the Middle East to plant Redeemer Church of Dubai where her husband, Dave, serves as the pastor. She is the author of a Bible study, Missional Motherhood, and several books including Treasuring Christ When Your Hands Are Full and Alive in Him. We discuss everything from life in the Middle East to complementarian theology. After the episode Jessica and Dan...

Gloria Furman

In this episode Daniel sits down with Gloria Furman! Gloria Furman is a wife, mother of four, and writer. Gloria and her family moved to the Middle East to plant Redeemer Church of Dubai where her husband, Dave, serves as the pastor. She is the author of a Bible study, Missional Motherhood, and several books including Treasuring Christ When Your Hands Are Full and Alive in Him. We discuss everything from life in the Middle East to complementarian theology. After the episode Jessica and Dan...

Joshua Ryan Butler

Joshua Ryan Butler, author of The Skeleton's in God Closet and The Pursuing God sits with us to talk about some easy topics like Hell, Holy War, and Judgment…. This is one of the most thought provoking episodes of the season. Listen as Joshua takes some of the most complex issues in the world and connects them to the larger story of the Gospel.  Host, Daniel Kunkel (shorturl.at/exIZ1) Co-Host, Jessica Senbetu (shorturl.at/gjLO7) Producer, Scott Bolin (shorturl.at/kloX9) Graphics, Gabe Senbe...

In Between with Joshua Ryan Butler

Joshua Ryan Butler, author of The Skeleton's in God Closet and The Pursuing God sits with us to talk about some easy topics like Hell, Holy War, and Judgment…. This is one of the most thought provoking episodes of the season. Listen as Joshua takes some of the most complex issues in the world and connects them to the larger story of the Gospel.  Host, Daniel Kunkel (shorturl.at/exIZ1) Co-Host, Jessica Senbetu (shorturl.at/gjLO7) Producer, Scott Bolin (shorturl.at/kloX9) Graphics, Gabe Senbe...