Mike and Howard discuss how they met, and how Mike was the first (and last) graduate of the Howard Farran School of Lecturing. Howard shares how Howard Stern played a pivotal role in his lecturing. Mike once again recounts turning down Howards offer to become a DentalTown co-founder, and how Mike still weeps nightly about it. Howard shares why he scrapped his plans to open 50 dental offices across the US in 1998, and how his mother was convinced he was going to be the first American pope!