Dangerous Speech
192 episodes - English - Latest episode: 19 days ago - ★★★★★ - 6 ratingsI'm trying to discuss hot button topics in a reasonable manner. I'm also trying to figure out first principles and how we come by them and decide which are best. I'm speaking with academics, authors, journalists and activists in hopes of trying to find answers.
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Ep 170 Batya Ungar - Sargon
June 29, 2024 14:20 - 32 minutes - 30 MBI spoke with Batya Ungar-Sargon about her latest book, Second Class, the left’s abandonment of the working class and adoption of luxury beliefs. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Batya: @bungarsargon You can get Batya’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Second-Class-Betrayed-Americas-Working/dp/1641773618/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=OdaTs&content-id=amzn1.sym.cf86ec3a-68a6-43e9-8115-04171136930a&pf_rd_p=cf86ec3a-68a6-43e9-8115-04171136930a&pf_rd_r=137-1034230-0579931&pd_rd_wg=cOLFV&pd_rd_r=01...
Ep 169 Eric Kaufmann
June 15, 2024 14:44 - 57 minutes - 52.8 MBI spoke with Eric Kaufmann about his latest book, The Third Awokening. Have we reached peak woke, how far CSJ ideology has spread, and how to pushback. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Eric: @epkaufm You can get Eric’s book here: https://a.co/d/eYrFUSg You can check out more of Eric’s work here: https://www.sneps.net/
Ep 168 Helen Pluckrose
May 18, 2024 12:21 - 1 hour - 65.7 MBI spoke with Helen Pluckrose about her forthcoming book, The Counterweight Handbook, the differences between CSJ and liberalism, and techniques for pushing back against CSJ ideologies. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Helen: @HPluckrose You can read Helen’s writing here: https://helenpluckrose.substack.com/ You can order The Counterweight Handbook here: https://www.amazon.com/Counterweight-Handbook-Principled-Strategies-Justice_at/dp/1634312287/ref=sr_1_1?crid=33VETH9XJF4DW&dib=eyJ2Ijoi...
Ep 167 Stuart Parker
May 04, 2024 15:54 - 1 hour - 67.8 MBI spoke with Stuart Parker about being exiled from the left, how the left has adopted extreme ideologies of race and gender, the alliance between the far left and Islam, and his writing and work Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Stuart: @stuartlosaltos You can find his collected essays here: https://amazon.ca/dp/B0CW189T6X?binding=paperback&ref=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_pc_tpbk… Get more information on his writing here: https://dimensionfold.com/authors/stuart-parker/ Check out his blog: https://stuart...
Ep 166 Wilfred Reilly
March 16, 2024 11:51 - 52 minutes - 48.3 MBI spoke with Wilfred Reilly about his upcoming new book, Lies my Liberal Teacher Told Me. People being made historically illiterate, and how problems in education have downstream effects Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Wilfred: @wil_da_beast630 You can pre-order his new book here: https://www.harpercollins.ca/9780063265974/lies-my-liberal-teacher-told-me/
Ep 165 Bruce Pardy
March 09, 2024 14:10 - 55 minutes - 51.2 MBI spoke with Bruce Pardy about Government overreach, how historically citizens gave up their rights, overreach during COVID, Bill C-63, and we discussed solutions. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Bruce: @PardyBruce You can find out more about Bruce’s organization here: https://www.rightsprobe.org/
Ep 164 Geoff Horsman
March 02, 2024 16:47 - 1 hour - 59.9 MBI spoke with Geoff Horsman about higher education in Canada, and if it is past the point of no return, some of the pushback happening, using legislation to push back, and run off effects as our institutions are ideologically captured. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow the Society For Academic Freedom: @SocietyforAcad1 And the Waterloo Chapter: @WatSAFS
Ep 163: Darshan Maharaja
January 13, 2024 16:15 - 52 minutes - 48.3 MBI spoke with Darshan Maharaja about immigration in Canada, foreign students, the backlash from Canadians, and overcorrections from opposing parties. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Darshan: @TheophanesRex You can find more of Darshan’s work here: https://darshanmaharaja.ca/
Ep 162 Yasmine Mohammed
December 17, 2023 14:40 - 50 minutes - 45.8 MBI spoke with Yasmine Mohammed about the support for Hamas in the West and how what she had written about in her book, Unveiled, is playing out in real time. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Yasmine: @YasMohammedxx You can buy Yasmine’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Unveiled-Western-Liberals-Empower-Radical/dp/B084HBTTMM/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3UCQA2DC8LQYW&keywords=unveiled+how+western+liberals+empower+radical+islam&qid=1702822615&sprefix=unveil%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1 You can find out and sup...
Ep 161 Izabella Tabarovsky
December 09, 2023 19:05 - 55 minutes - 50.5 MBI spoke with Izabella Tabarovsky about the war between Israel & Palestine and antisemitism on the left. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Izabella: @IzaTabaro You can see the work Izabella here: https://londonantisemitism.com/ https://www.wilsoncenter.org/search?keywords=tabarovsky
Ep 160 Gabriel Rench
October 22, 2023 22:05 - 51 minutes - 47.1 MBI spoke with Gabriel Rench about his arrest during COVID, the hypocrisy around it, and the hypocrisy in general from the left. We also discussed what we agreed and disagreed about regarding government and religion. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Gabriel: @GMRench You can find out more about Gabriel’s work and his podcast here: https://crosspolitic.com/
Ep 159 Melanie & Shannon
October 07, 2023 19:52 - 1 hour - 88.4 MBI spoke with Melanie Bennet and Shannon Boschy about the parental pushback to gender ideology in schools, the growing movement of parent’s rights oorganizations and what is going on in the schools. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach Follow Melanie: @finkledusty Follow Shannon: @ShannonBDouglas You can find Melanie’s podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@OurDutyCanada Melanie’s and Shannon’s podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@canadiangenderwarsreport You can find Shannon’s work with APISC D...
Ep 158 Jeff Greensite
September 30, 2023 17:55 - 1 hour - 80.1 MBI spoke with Jeff Greensite about academic freedom, two incidents at San Francisco State, and the debate around legislation to fix issues in the academy. Follow me: @Dangerousspeach
Ep 157 Julia Malott
September 23, 2023 15:09 - 1 hour - 59.5 MBI spoke with Julia Mallot about the recent policy proposal by the CPC on trans issues, transitioning of children, women’s rights vs. trans rights, and trying to bridge gaps. Follow me: @dangerousspeach Follow Julia: @AlottaMalotta You can find Julia’s videos here: https://alottamalotta.com/
Ep 156 Elton Robinson
September 16, 2023 20:40 - 43 minutes - 39.7 MBI spoke with Elton Robinson about the 1 million march 4 children, parental rights, the organization he co-founded, and the growing movement of concerned parents. Follow me: @obaidomer You can find Elton’s organization here: https://parentsrights.ca/ You can find information formation on different parent’s groups here: https://prcoc.ca/#/ Get information about the march on the 20th here: https://millionmarch4children.squarespace.com/
Ep 155 Eli Steele
August 06, 2023 15:14 - 1 hour - 60.2 MBI spoke with Eli Steele about his new documentary White Guilt and how that shaped race relations, the focus on identity politics and how that harms race relations. Follow me: @dangerousspeach Follow Eli: @Hebro_Steele You can find out more about his films here: manofsteeleproductions.com You can donate to his GoFundMe to replace his stolen camera here: https://www.gofundme.com/sign-in?redirect=%2Fmanage%2Fhelp-doc-filmmakers-replace-stolen-equipment
Ep 154 Codi Lazar
July 29, 2023 15:20 - 1 hour - 66.6 MBI spoke with Cody Lazar about an open letter that he and 270 faculty members from the California State University system wrote in defence of academic freedom. Follow me: @@dangerousspeach You can read the open letter here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Yfgjj1hFH1gbUIJKKM3iirQlIq3XfJWi4j-QGRAS6ns/edit FIRE’s statement about the letter: https://www.thefire.org/news/cal-state-faculty-stand-academic-freedom-and-free-speech This is a link to their site, which is still under construction: ...
Ep 153 Jen Richmond And Wink Twyman
June 17, 2023 13:24 - 1 hour - 100 MBI spoke with Jen Richmond and Wink Twyman about how their new book, Letters in Black and White, the discourse on race, take over of public institutions. Follow me: @dangerousspeach Follow Jen: @truth_inbetween Follow ILV: @ilvalues You can get their book here: https://www.amazon.com/Letters-Black-White-Correspondence-America/dp/1634312368 Their website where you can find more writing, podcasts, and original documents from their book: https://truthinbetween.com/ The forward to their book:...
Ep 152 Mia Ashton
April 22, 2023 14:49 - 1 hour - 55.3 MBI spoke with Mia Ashton about how the push for trans rights is stripping women of theirs, women-only spaces, the indoctrination of children, the cult-like aspects of gender theory and the signs of a change in the discourse. Follow me: @dangerousspeach Follow Mia: @_CryMiaRiver You can find Mia’s articles here: https://thepostmillennial.com/author/mia-ashton?utm_campaign=64466 And this piece: https://public.substack.com/p/why-are-we-sterilizing-children
Ep 151 Dr Tabia Lee
April 15, 2023 14:07 - 56 minutes - 51.7 MBI spoke with Dr. Tabia Lee about being fired from her position as the director of diversity because she did not follow the current DEI ideology, the differences between liberalism and critical social justice and the harm that is being done outside of the academy due to CSJ . Follow me: @dangerousspeach You can read more about Lee here: https://compactmag.com/article/a-black-dei-director-canceled-by-dei https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11902095/DR-TABIA-LEE-fired-diversity-chief-Woke...
Ep 150 Jim McMurtry
April 01, 2023 16:48 - 1 hour - 80.8 MBI spoke with Jim McMurtry about being fired as a teacher for speaking the truth about residential schools, K-12 education in Canada, and the corruption of our institutions. Follow me: @dangerousspeach Follow Jim: @JimMcMurtry01
Ep 149 Jake Mackey
March 25, 2023 15:09 - 59 minutes - 54.1 MBI spoke with Jake Mackey about academia, and how it has gotten to the state it’s in. The slowly building pushback to authoritarianism within the academy and some of the initiatives involved. Do we have to rebuild, or can we save our institutions? Follow me: @dangerousspeach Follow Jake: @omni_american You can find out more about the Academic Freedom Alliance here: https://academicfreedom.org/ Check out the work being done at Free Black Thought: https://freeblackthought.com/ Read their journ...
Ep 148 Khadija Khan
March 18, 2023 14:08 - 1 hour - 61.5 MBI spoke with Khadijah Khan about the de facto blasphemy laws in the UK pertaining to Islam and how the authorities keep capitulating to fundamentalists and creeping illiberalism. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Khadijah: @KhadijaKhan__ Here are some of Khadijah’s articles: http://www.sedaa.org/2022/09/after-mahsa-aminis-death-its-time-for-hijab-apologists-to-take-a-back-seat/ https://areomagazine.com/2023/01/19/romanticising-shamima-begum/
Ep 147: Asra Nomani
March 11, 2023 14:20 - 57 minutes - 52.4 MBI spoke with Asra Nomani about her latest book, Woke Army, the link between fundamental Islam and woke progressives. The history of Left/Fundamental Islam cooperation. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Asra @AsraNomani You can buy Woke Army here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1637580045/ref=sr_1_1?crid=26OXPIGRMIRZD&keywords=woke+army+%22nomani%22&qid=1676558566&sprefix=,aps,71&sr=8-1
Ep 146 Lee Jussim Pt 3
January 28, 2023 20:19 - 1 hour - 63.5 MBI spoke with Lee Jussim about his recent attempted cancellation, the state of psychology, academia and their future, and the loss of trust in institutions. Follow me: @obaidomer FollowLee: @PsychRabble You can find Lee's substack here: http://unsafescience.substack.com
Ep 145 Alan Davison Pt2
November 19, 2022 23:18 - 1 hour - 59.4 MBI spoke with Alan Davison about a recent article he wrote about how our institutions need to support dissenting views. The self-inflicted lack of trust in academia, the encroachment of illiberalism in our institutions. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Alan: @alan_davison Read Alan’s article here: https://spectator.com.au/2022/10/bursting-the-bubble/ Alan’s Faculty special speaker series, “Permission to Think” that he is working on with Josh Zepps: https://www.uts.edu.au/about/faculty-arts-and-...
Ep 144: Greg Lukianoff
October 22, 2022 12:30 - 55 minutes - 50.5 MBI spoke with Greg Lukianoff about the difference between free speech tradition and laws, what is and isn’t book banning, the issues in higher education, and the erosion of the institutions that protect civil liberties Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Greg @glukianoff Follow FIRE: @TheFIREorg You can find out more and support FIRE here: https://www.thefire.org/
Ep 143 Shaparak Pt 3
September 25, 2022 12:46 - 44 minutes - 41.2 MBI spoke with Shaparak about the protests going on in Iran, and what this might mean for the regime there. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Shaparak @shaparakshjr You can sign the petition that Shaparak mentioned here: https://www.change.org/p/justice-for-mahsa-amini?recruiter=false&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=86d369c0-3c91-11ed-a147-c56c700d7789&share_bandit_exp=initial-34486803-en-CA
Ep 142 David Bernstein
September 24, 2022 12:48 - 1 hour - 57.6 MBI spoke with David Bernstein about his upcoming book, Woke Anti-Semitism, and how the new anti-racism is helping to create more animosity against Jews and shuts down debate. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow David: @DavidLBernstein You can sign up to get David’s book when it is released: https://jilv.org/book/ Find out more about JILV here: https://jilv.org/
Ep141 Nicole Levitt
September 17, 2022 13:34 - 1 hour - 69.6 MBThe latest episode of my podcast is out on SoundCloud. I spoke with Nicolle Levitt about the woke meltdown at the women’s abuse organization. How woke ideology is corrupting organizations and leaving us defenceless from illiberalism. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Nicole: @LevittNicole7 You can read about what happened at the WAA: https://freebeacon.com/culture/inside-the-woke-meltdown-at-one-domestic-violence-organization/ Read this article that Nicole co-wrote:https://quillette.com/2021/09/...
Ep 140: Linda Blade
June 18, 2022 15:18 - 55 minutes - 51.2 MBI spoke with Linda Blade about trans athletes in women’s sport, how the ideology is forming policy, reality vs identity, and her book, Unsporting, that she co-authored with Barbara Kay Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Linda: @coachblade You can find out more about Linda’s book here: https://www.unsporting.com/
Ep 139: Jason Littlefield Pt 2
June 04, 2022 22:00 - 1 hour - 64.4 MBI spoke with Jason Littlefield about his work with EmpowerEd Pathways, and how SEL was taken over by woke ideology. The effects that woke SEL and curriculum is harming children and the attacks on Enlightenment values. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Jason: @JasonTheeHuman Follow EmpowerEd Pathways: @empowerED_TX Check out the work Jason is doing with EmpowerEd Pathways: https://www.empoweredpathways.org/
Ep 138: Cathrine Kronas
April 23, 2022 21:18 - 1 hour - 64.4 MBI spoke with Cathrine Kronas about stopwoke.ca and a petition she has out to stop CRT and Gender/Queer Theory-based curriculum, and the spread of woke dogma in Canadian schools. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Catherine: @CatherineKronas You can find more information about her petition and work here: StopWOKE.ca
Ep 137 Kaveh Shahrooz
April 02, 2022 12:50 - 57 minutes - 52.2 MBI spoke with Kaveh Shahrooz about Media bias, censorship and conspiracy theories, hypocrisy in the response to protests in Canada, Canadian foreign policy in the Middle East Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Kaveh: @kshahrooz You can find all of Kaveh’s links here: https://linktr.ee/kshahrooz
Ep 136 Thomas Sheedy
March 26, 2022 17:13 - 55 minutes - 50.7 MBThe latest episode of my podcast is out on SoundCloud. I spoke with Thomas Sheedy about Atheists For Liberty, how atheist organizations have become woke and seem to be following a secular religion, defending the values of civil liberties. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Thomas: @sheedythom Follow Atheists For Liberty: @atheistsliberty If you would like to support, join, or learn more about Atheists for Liberty, you can find all their links here: https://linktr.ee/atheistsforliberty
Ep 135: Terry Glavin
February 26, 2022 13:30 - 1 hour - 64.7 MBI spoke with Terry Glavin about the trucker’s protest, the Emergency measures act, hypocrisy in the response, the harm that lack of trust in media can do. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Terry: @TerryGlavin You can find Terry’s Substack here: https://therealstory.substack.com/
Ep 134: Vaisnavi Sundar
February 12, 2022 13:37 - 51 minutes - 46.9 MBI spoke with Vaishnavi Sundar about her documentary Dysphoric and how Western gender ideology has pushed back women’s rights in India. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Vaishnavi: @Vaishax You can watch Dysphoric here: http://bit.ly/dysphoric21 Check out Vaishnavi’s work here: 1) https://vaishnavisundar.com/ 2) https://limesodafilms.com/ 3) https://www.wmfindia.com/
Ep 134: Vaishnavi Sundar
February 12, 2022 13:37 - 51 minutes - 46.9 MBI spoke with Vaishnavi Sundar about her documentary Dysphoric and how Western gender ideology has pushed back women’s rights in India. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Vaishnavi: @Vaishax You can watch Dysphoric here: http://bit.ly/dysphoric21 Check out Vaishnavi’s work here: 1) https://vaishnavisundar.com/ 2) https://limesodafilms.com/ 3) https://www.wmfindia.com/
Ep 133 Michael Shellenberger
January 29, 2022 17:47 - 46 minutes - 42.9 MBThe latest episode of my podcast is out on SoundCloud. I spoke with Michael Shellenberger about his book San Fransicko, and how progressive/woke policies hurt the causes they claim to support His taxonomy of woke religion and how current woke ideology acts as a religion Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Michael: @ShellenbergerMD You can buy Michael’s books here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0063093626/ref=nodl_?pf_rd_r=F2HSAY31EYE6EV5KQK4D&pf_rd_p=8fe9b1d0-f378-4356-8bb8-cada7525eadd&pd_rd_r...
Ep 132 Batya Ungar-Sargon
January 22, 2022 15:00 - 45 minutes - 41.7 MBI spoke with Batya Ungar-Sargon about her recent book Bad News: How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy, the replacing of class issues with race, the disdain the media show towards the working class, how the media and institutions lost the trust of the public. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Batya: @bungarsargon You can buy Batya’s book here: https://www.encounterbooks.com/books/bad-news/ Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Bad-News-Media-Undermining-Democracy/dp/1641772069/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1GDTXM...
Ep 131 Monica Guzman
December 25, 2021 13:35 - 40 minutes - 37 MBI had Monica Guzman on, hoping to ask her about a TED Talk she did about curiosity and her upcoming book on the same topic. Monica let her curiosity get the better of her and started interviewing me. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Monica: @moniguzman Find all of Monica’s links and pre-order her book here: https://linktr.ee/moniguzman
Ep 130 James Esses
December 18, 2021 13:38 - 55 minutes - 50.5 MBI spoke with James Esses about being expelled from his university psychotherapy course due to his questioning of trans ideology. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow James: @JamesEsses Help support James’ legal fund: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/expelled-university-free-speech/ Check out James’ substack: https://jamesesses.substack.com/
Ep 129 Alan Davison
November 20, 2021 14:36 - 1 hour - 64.2 MBI spoke with Alan Davison about a paper he wrote exploring how anti-racism works with claims of Islamophobia, comparing the state of academia in Australia and North America and illiberal progressivism. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Alan: @alan_davison You can read the two papers we discussed here: https://rdcu.be/czE8j https://profiles.uts.edu.au/Alan.Davison/publications Check out Permission to Think: https://www.uts.edu.au/about/faculty-arts-and-social-sciences/partners-and-community/fass-i...
Ep 128 Dr Sheena Mason
November 13, 2021 13:37 - 54 minutes - 50 MBI spoke with Dr. Sheena Mason about the theory of racelessness, how to get past the idea of race, some of the hypocrisy with the new anti-racism Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Dr. Mason: @SheenaMasonPhD Follow theory of racelessness: https://twitter.com/Racelessness Learn more about the work being done by Theory of Racelessness: https://www.theoryofracelessness.org/ Check out Dr. Mason’s podcast: https://www.youtube.com/c/queenshe
Ep 127: Sasha Ayad
October 23, 2021 15:46 - 1 hour - 59.3 MBI spoke with Sasha Ayad about her work with teens and trans issues, the evolution of gender dysphoria, affirmation therapy, some of the hypocrisy in gender and trans activism. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Sasha: @SashaLPC Learn more about Sasha’s work and contact her through her website: https://inspiredteentherapy.com/ Check out her podcast: https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/ Check out the work being done at the Gender Exploratory Therapy Association:https://genderexploratory.com/
Ep 126: Maud Maron
October 09, 2021 15:00 - 1 hour - 55.3 MBI spoke with Maud Maron about her being fired as a public defender for speaking out against encroachment of CSJ ideology, school curriculum, parent involvement. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Maud: @MaudMaron Check out Maud’s campaign:https://maudmaron.nyc/ Check out the work of PlaceNYC: https://placenyc.org/ An article Maud wrote about curriculum: https://nypost.com/2020/07/23/racial-obsessions-make-it-impossible-for-nyc-schools-to-treat-parents-kids-as-people/ Bari Weiss’ article about ...
Ep 125: John R Wood
October 02, 2021 14:00 - 57 minutes - 52.7 MBI spoke with John R Wood Jr. about Braver Angels and the work they are doing in trying to build communities and stem the flow of polarization, the role of media and social media. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow John: @JohnRWoodJr Follow Braver Angels: @BraverAngels Check out the work that Braver Angels does: braverangels.org
Ep 124: David Ben Moshe
September 25, 2021 13:53 - 59 minutes - 54.4 MBI spoke with David Ben Moshe about an article he wrote comparing the parallels between cancel culture and his experiences as an ex-felon, and issues within the prison and criminal justice systems. Follow me: @obaidomer Follow David: @realdbenmoshe You can read David’s article here: https://www.newsweek.com/im-black-ex-felon-i-have-message-about-cancel-culture-opinion-1604846 You can join David's Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/davidbenmoshe
Ep 123: Christian Boutin
September 11, 2021 13:20 - 54 minutes - 49.9 MBI spoke with Christian Boutin about why he decided to run in the federal election and why he chose to run as a PPC candidate and some of the PPC platform Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Christian: @christianboutin Check out the PPC website: https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/ Check out Christian’s website: https://linktr.ee/christianboutinppc
Ep 122: Jonathan Kay
September 04, 2021 13:22 - 37 minutes - 34.3 MBI spoke with Jonathan Kay about the upcoming Canadian election, Canadian politics, and free speech Follow me: @obaidomer Follow Jonathan: @jonkay Check out Jonathan’s latest article in the National Post: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jonathan-kay-why-the-canadian-left-cant-help-but-believe-kooky-theories-about-coded-messages-to-nazis Check out Jonathan’s work at Quillette:https://quillette.com/2021/07/06/jonathan-kay/ Listen to the Quillette Podcast here: https://quillette.com/tag/podc...