Creative Thursday with Marisa
298 episodes - English - Latest episode: about 2 months ago - ★★★★★ - 54 ratingsMarisa Anne Cummings, a Los Angeles based artist + author + entrepreneur, actually started the Creative Thursday podcast in 2006. What? what! how is that even possible? And yes! she wishes she had kept it going after all these years. Yet as a small business owner, maybe you can relate? choices needed to be made, and a passion for painting and continuing to build her art business became her focus. Cut to over a decade later, armed with SO many more lessons learned, and a - can no longer be suppressed - desire to share them with you! Marisa is ready to make a return to one of the first creative mediums she loved, podcasting! Even more fired up than before, Marisa is looking forward to picking up where she left off on her creative journey through both - one her favorite things to do - having thoughtful, inspiring, keeping it real, conversations with fellow Creatives + Business Owners along with offering her own perspective as an artist and entrepreneur, traversing this online world. We’re talking everything from life + business + creativity + entrepreneurship.
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279 How Can You Reach More of Your Audience?
June 30, 2022 07:00 - 1 hour - 58.9 MBTurns out that when asked if social media feels both frustrating, and confusing as to who's actually following you? that answer was a resounding 100% on a recent poll I posted. Which means, we've got some work to do! Precisely why I'm back with another edition of Creative Business Coaching over Coffee where I get to have a conversation with EA member and Artist Jeanette Bergstrom answering her Social Media questions. And I open this call by answering this question from Kath...
278 How Do You Show Up Consistently Online, While Also Honing Your Craft?
June 23, 2022 07:00 - 31 minutes - 29.2 MBOh and! which platform do you choose? Do you choose just 1 or more? How do you know which one is the right one? Before you set sail in the wide-open ocean of social media, and possibly waste a whole bunch of time posting aimlessly to ALL the platforms at the same time, you're going to want to answer some important questions about your business vision + goals. In today's podcast episode I walk you through suggestions for you to know what will work best for your working sty...
277 Keeping your Creative Spirit Intact with Artist Jo Blake
June 16, 2022 07:00 - 1 hour - 65.9 MBWhat if you could save a TON of time, and get that next breakthrough? Do you have a Coach? Today on the podcast, I'm bringing you a Creative Biz Coaching over a Coffee conversation I had on Instagram with one of our Expansive Artists members, Artist + Illustrator Jo Blake. From practical tips to inspired tangents about living this Creative Business life, we covered a lot of ground in our chat together, from setting up your email opt-in + welcome email to best practices f...
276 Not Making Money Yet? Listen Before You Give Up…
June 09, 2022 07:00 - 59 minutes - 54 MBWhat do you do if your financial goals are not being met by your dream (yet)? How long do you give it before you give up? If this is the question you're asking, then this is precisely the moment you'll learn just how much you want your dream. And how much you're ready to be self-reliant And spoiler alert, as I recount my financial story of how I finally started to make a consistent living, it took me several years, and as I continue to grow, the "strategic financial risk"...
275 Are You Fitting Your Gifts in the Gaps of Someone Else’s Dream? with James Wedmore, Founder of Business By Design
June 02, 2022 07:00 - 1 hour - 106 MBHow do you know that you’re not ready for something you’ve never done before? ~ James Wedmore Today I invite you into the world and mind of James Wedmore~ and the opportunity to get off the fence once and for all and say YES to following your passions in this life. Telling you now... this is one of those episodes you're going to want to save and listen to multiple times. James is the founder of Business By Design + host of The Mind Your Business Podcast, helping entrepreneurs in ...
274 Thinking of Teaching Online? & Want to Build Recurring Revenue in your CREATIVE BIZ!
April 18, 2022 01:28 - 2 hours - 114 MBThis one's for you! A special Sunday edition of the podcast. Want to never be laid off, fired and still have a regular paycheck? Recurring revenue is your answer, and one of the ways you can add that into your business is through creating digital products from online teaching to creating your own membership. An excerpt from one of our Expansive Artist calls featuring my mentor and business coach Stu McLaren and a roundtable of our EA members, Artists sharing ideas, inspiration and a...
273 Tips on finding Your Artist Voice
March 17, 2022 07:00 - 1 hour - 67.4 MBDo you think you may have found your voice but you're just too close to the work to see it? Or is it because you're emerging that you automatically assume you don't have a voice yet? Could it be that your work needs a more consistent practice to fully develop into a unique + elevated offering? Spoiler Alert: you might already have the answer on how to find your voice, but you're looking outside for reassurance and validation. That's all fine and good as long as you also know how to t...
272 How to Get Clear on Your Dreams
March 10, 2022 08:00 - 1 hour - 57.7 MBDo you feel conflicted about your dreams? Do you find yourself second guessing your path, wondering if you’re headed in the right direction? Does the uncertainty of how it will all come together often affect your day to day progress? When you’re not feeling clear, there’s a reason. Tune in to learn what we uncovered with Hawaii based Artist Jesse Tepora around why she may be feeling a lack of clarity around her dreams. Today’s episode brings you our first Creative Business Coaching...
271 Do You Have Shiny Squirrel Syndrome?
March 03, 2022 08:00 - 42 minutes - 39.3 MBHow do you know what to focus on when? But what if I’m a creative free spirit and I don’t like to be boxed into one style, theme, medium or project? A little something I learned the hard way ~ (but you can learn it now!) unfortunately for us Free Spirits the “I don’t want to be BOXED IN” approach is a no go strategy when it comes to having a thriving career as an Artist. In today’s episode I share how I choose my creative focus, and then prioritize the steps to make it happen! Join m...
217 Do You Have Shiny Squirrel Syndrome?
March 03, 2022 08:00 - 42 minutes - 39.3 MBHow do you know what to focus on when? But what if I’m a creative free spirit and I don’t like to be boxed into one style, theme, medium or project? A little something I learned the hard way ~ (but you can learn it now!) unfortunately for us Free Spirits the “I don’t want to be BOXED IN” approach is a no go strategy when it comes to having a thriving career as an Artist. In today’s episode I share how I choose my creative focus, and then prioritize the steps to make it happen! Join m...
270 Your 2 Biggest Artist Assets
February 24, 2022 08:00 - 28 minutes - 26.3 MBTruth time. When it comes to selling your Art work, are you a hobbyist or a PRO? Time and time again I see Artists with all levels of experience, struggle to build a successful business because they’re focusing on the wrong priorities. Your attitude informs how you approach building your business, and it can make all the difference in how profitable you are for the long game. So today, let’s talk about the 2 biggest business assets that most Artists overlook, why, and how to stop over...
269 The Slow Business Movement
February 17, 2022 08:00 - 30 minutes - 27.8 MBWhat’s my love of cooking a good meal + sourcing the majority of my food locally have to do with running my business? After spending 3 days in a Mastermind surrounded by some amazing business owners - the kind who are “crushing it” daily, growing to 6, even 7 figures within one calendar year ~ the concept of the slow food movement popped into my mind. As they vulnerably shared their experiences of what that kind of growth really meant for them, I came away from that gathering with a whol...
268 Tired of Feeling Overwhelmed + Confused? Answer these 3 Questions
February 03, 2022 08:00 - 24 minutes - 22 MBIf overwhelm is being busy without priority, then confusion is not knowing what your priorities are. Working backwards, that means that without clarity your days are driven by a state of confusion and overwhelm which is also what I call living on a hamster wheel. The overwhelm never ends. Since it doesn't look like the complexities of living a creative life + growing an online business are going to let up any time soon, or ever ~ it's up to us! You can find all things Marisa and Crea...
267 Why Not You? with Artist + Photographer Marie-Laure Delage Carlson
January 13, 2022 08:00 - 58 minutes - 53.7 MBWhy me? or Why not me? Be honest, when you're thinking about your dreams, which question pops into your mind first? Then ask yourself what example are you setting for your kids, for generations to come? Do you want them thinking the world is filled with possibilities or to not bother trying because what if it doesn't work out the way they thought? When we give ourselves permission, the ripple effect is powerful because it gives someone else permission too. ...
266 The Art of Prioritizing
January 06, 2022 08:00 - 34 minutes - 31.3 MBHave you ever thought you were clear on your "priorities" only to realize that something else always comes first? And is what comes first, something you want or something for someone else? This year I was introduced to one concept that was a huge wake-up call for me in terms of getting to the bottom of what matters most to me - not anyone else. Continuing on in our first of the year mini planning series, in today's episode I'm introducing you to a simple exercise to help you understand...
BONUS Reclaiming Your Health + Fitness After 40 with (my love) Comedy Writer + Fitness Master Sean Hogan
January 03, 2022 03:00 - 57 minutes - 53 MBWho says we have to decline as we get older? Let's talk about what it really means to age gracefully in a very special conversation + bonus episode at the start of this new year! We can't talk about dreaming, planning, reflecting + resetting, all the new year things while neglecting a conversation about the very thing that makes everything possible in life, our health + wellbeing. In today's episode I'm not just excited, but SUPER EXCITED to bring you a conversation with my partner goi...
265 New Year Planning? Start Here!
December 30, 2021 08:00 - 28 minutes - 25.8 MBIf you haven't noticed? Accomplishing your BIG + small goals has as much to do with taking action on practical steps as it does with that miraculous, complex organ between your ears. Yup, your brain ~ and your mindset. One of the best ways I've found to begin getting your mind on board with your dreams, is to give it some structure so it feels safe, a framework if you will. In today's episode I step you through how I break down the big picture view of what I want to accomplish a...
264 One Step at a Time with Pastel Artist , Yvonne Sellick
December 23, 2021 08:00 - 57 minutes - 52.5 MBHow do you create a life you love? Committed to being an example for her children, and finally living her dream as an Artist, Yvonne has figured out what works when it comes to building her Art business. Honored to have her as a member of our Expansive Artists and Artful Selling communities, it's been so exciting to see her progress over this past year. In today's episode she shares the moment she decided to pursue her love of Art again, how she found the courage to begin shari...
263 What Worked What Didn't 2021
December 16, 2021 08:00 - 46 minutes - 42.3 MBIt's become tradition! A couple of years ago I started sharing a behind the scenes studio wrap up of what worked and what didn't when it came to my art practice and my creative business. And how did it impact my personal life? One of my best years in business thus far, a lot of progress made, and definitely more room for improvement in one area I was struggling with last year. The question is which one will I choose to interpret my overall year? You can find all things Marisa a...
262 Investing in Yourself: Why, When and How Much?
December 09, 2021 08:00 - 1 hour - 58.1 MBRemember the episodes when I shared some of my BIG business mistakes? (episodes 122 and 208) What I'm sharing with you today is what I wish someone had explained to me a whole lot sooner ~ than the time it took for me to learn the hard way. I'm often asked when it's time to invest in yourself, specifically your business education? In today's episode I break it all down for you, from how much I invest in my education, to what to expect in guidance, cost and results from memberships, cou...
261 Why You Might be Getting in Your Own Way
December 02, 2021 08:00 - 35 minutes - 32.3 MBIs there really such thing as self-sabotage? Why would we ever consider keeping ourselves away from what we say we want? Doing ALL the things for many years, and still not progressing in the way I envisioned, lead me to start a deep dive on learning more about the brain from science to psychology. Oh the discoveries, wow! mind-blowing, pun intended. Coming to understand the science behind our automatic behaviors and the choices we make is life changing and I hope this quick overview ...
260 How to Kickstart Your Creativity
November 25, 2021 08:00 - 1 hour - 55.5 MBGuess what! The first official Small Studio Sunday is this WEEKEND! First and foremost! Happy Thanksgiving to my US friends celebrating today. Filled with extra gratitude for you, our listener. Endless thank you's for taking time to join me here on this and every Creative Thursday. Get excited because Small Studio Sunday, a little idea I had driving home from Thanksgiving holiday in 2018 is now an online art event + pop-up gallery featuring 60+ Artists. It kicks-off this Saturday for ...
259 How the Holidays can Inspire Your Creativity
November 18, 2021 08:00 - 36 minutes - 33.7 MBDid it really start with a wedding invitation? Cozy up, get comfy, grab a little cup of eggnog (too soon?) tea? wine? Today I have story to share with you. Looking back, I see it so clearly now, I think this story may have been the moment Creative Thursday actually began. It was definitely the moment I started to follow my creative calling and discover my voice as an Artist. Can the bustle of the holidays really be a good time to connect with your creativity, especially if it's been ...
258 How to Tame the Overwhelm Monster
November 11, 2021 08:00 - 29 minutes - 26.6 MBDoes that monster creep up on you too? O.V.E.R.W.H.E.L.M How do you handle it? On a coaching call, one of my business mentors shared a perspective on overwhelm that stopped me in my tracks. And this subtle shift, or rather WAKE UP CALL, around how to deal with overwhelm, has been a game changer in how I move through my days. Not that the sneakly little Overwhelm monster doesn't try to creep back into my routine, but now I know how tame him and get sh*t done efficiently, with way ...
257 3 Tips for Intentional Creating
November 04, 2021 07:00 - 36 minutes - 33.6 MBThink about the last time you prioritized you and something you most love to do. Like art and creativity perhaps? especially if your business is your Art. This past weekend, instead of prioritizing catching up on administrative projects in my creative business, I decided to dedicate it to my creativity. Something clicked for me and I realized what I can no longer give up. Ask yourself if what you're focusing on is actually what you want to prioritize in your life? and...
256 What are your Planning Non-Negotiables?
October 28, 2021 07:00 - 41 minutes - 38.1 MBOr rather, do you plan? And if not, why not? And if yes! tell me. Paper or Digital? And if paper what are your non-negotiables when it comes to your favorite planners. Do you habit track? Do you do 90 day plans, yearly, monthly? or are you lucky if you just manage to chicken scratch a to do list? Are you a bullet journaler? Lined or Plain paper? Maybe you heard, I'm cooking up a (creative) plan(ner)...and I'd love to hear from you. You can find all things Marisa and Cre...
255 Travel Tips with a Side of Love for Santa Fe
October 21, 2021 07:00 - 1 hour - 66.3 MBThis week kicked off a new season of reinvention, and peeling back a few layers of the onion that is me. When I reintroduced myself over on social media, I also said that I'd be shaking + mixing + spicing things up around as we head into the holiday season, which will include bespoke cocktails, new food recipes and ART….plus a creative planner coming soon… And for you! my podcast listener, some fun + inspiring guests are on the books as well. Which lead's me to today's...
254 Don't Make These Mistakes on Instagram
October 12, 2021 17:43 - 35 minutes - 32.9 MBDo you have a love hate/relationship with social media? Do you want to create art you feel connected to and sell it to Collectors who LOVE what you create without feeling forced to bend to an algorithm? Yes! Fabulous! in a time when the demands of effectively using social media are changing (once again), it's time to revisit how you want to approach using this tool. Let's start at the beginning. There are a whole lot of mistakes I see Artists unintentionally making, simply because they...
253 Don't Hand in Your Resignation
October 07, 2021 07:00 - 29 minutes - 27.2 MBNope, not talking about your day job in this episode. We're talking about the days when your dream "job" working for yourself, isn't working out the way you hoped. What's your go to? How do you handle those days when you just aren't sure if this making a living as an artist is really right for you? In this episode, I share with you one of my go to's when those challenging moments come up. Join me for the special live workshop (+ replay recording if you can't join us live) "How to E...
252 Crafting Your 90 Day Plan
September 30, 2021 07:00 - 30 minutes - 27.6 MBThis process is my new go to when it comes to having a clear daily focus that leads to taking action on the important steps that actually move the needle forward, I'm sharing some practical steps for crafting your 90 day plan. I'm also pulling back the curtain to talk about some of the challenges I don't always speak about publicly. I explore why the well intended oversharing on social media is beginning to have a negative impact and how this is influencing my desired outcome for this quar...
251 Artist Success Stories - Dreaming BIG + Making it Happen
September 19, 2021 17:09 - 2 hours - 112 MBComing to you with a special Sunday edition of the podcast. In 2000, I started to ask myself the question, if I truly believed I could follow my dreams and become anything I want to be in this world, would this path I'm currently on, be the one I'd choose? It was answering that question that ultimately lead me to finally acknowledging that I always wanted to become an Artist. When I was easing my way into the belief that I could be an Artist, I found great comfort in listening to any and...
250 I Don't Wanna Do Reels!
September 16, 2021 07:00 - 32 minutes - 29.5 MBOh do I feel ya...but It's time to get real about some truths you need to know as an Artist who wants to a grow a business and successfully sell work online. In today's episode I share with you a BIG mistake I made about 6 years back, adopting a certain attitude shall we say...when it comes to working with the inevitable changes of the internet and specifically social media. As someone who once complained about the time it took to keep a regular blog posting several times a week, my how ...
249 This Might Make You Angry
September 09, 2021 07:00 - 35 minutes - 32.7 MBIf you care about about INTEGRITY, the value of creative work, and rights for Artists, this should make you angry. I have a documentary to recommend, along with a personal story about a collaboration that almost went very wrong. If any of what I share is a shock to you, then we as Artists haven't been truthful about our experiences. One of the reasons Artists continue to find themselves in these kind of predicaments is because we're not talking honestly, and making educated business de...
248 Choosing the RIGHT Online Shop Platform
September 02, 2021 07:00 - 43 minutes - 39.8 MBAre you afraid of making a “wrong” decision when it comes to building your online shop? One of the questions I get asked the most by the Artists I mentor is “what website, e-commerce platform do I choose for my online shop?” followed by “how do I know for sure, that it's the right one for me?” So often our fear of making the wrong decision keeps us from making any decision at all, which in turn keeps us in a holding pattern ~ what I refer to as paused versus progressing. In this week's...
247 Let me tell you about our FIRST Small Studio Sunday! (happening this Sunday!)
August 26, 2021 07:00 - 29 minutes - 26.6 MBIn November 2018 I had an idea around how to support + celebrate independent Artists more... and this Sunday, August 29 it's game on! First things first! You're invited! Join us for our FIRST (what we hope to be the first of many) virtual art event + pop-up gallery; Small Studio Sunday. It's free to attend, just be sure to register here for your invite so you'll be first to view the pop-up gallery as soon as it goes live on Sunday, August 29, along with the link to join us for our privat...
246 How to Find Your Artistic Voice
August 19, 2021 07:00 - 45 minutes - 41.8 MBRepeat after me: “I am an artist.” In today’s episode we continue the conversation kicked off last week about what having your own art business will make possible for you, and today I answer a question inspired one of our Expansive Artist members, Michelle about “How to find Your Artistic Voice?” How do you find your signature style as an Artist, especially when you're just starting out. In this episode I share three approaches for helping you cultivate the artist within yourself. Let'...
What would having your own Art business make possible for you?
August 12, 2021 07:00 - 23 minutes - 21.7 MBWhat did I hope having my own Art business would make possible for me? I was recently reminded of the power in answering 1 simple question. As I continue to explore new directions with my painting, I've been re-connected to that feeling of beginning, anticipation and enthusiasm for what's next with trepidation over all the uncertainty. I had NO idea, if I could actually create this career as an Artist, but I knew I had to try. On today's podcast episode I share with you, what the be...
244 Healing Trauma for Artists with Dr. Don Wood
July 29, 2021 07:00 - 1 hour - 97.4 MBDo you sometimes wonder if you're sabotaging yourself? getting in your own way of success? Has anyone ever called you emotional? Have you felt especially tender when exposed to certain experiences in your life. And have you ever wondered if it's just you, or are Artists really more sensitive than other people? If you aren't yet familiar with the work of Dr. Don Wood, you're in for a treat today, so many answers to questions that you may have been wondering about for a lifetime. This ...
243 How Much Do You Need to Hustle?
July 15, 2021 07:00 - 26 minutes - 24.6 MBWhat's it really take to be a professional Artist? How many hours are you supposed to work to make your dream a reality. In this episode I share the truth of what's involved to growing an online business in today's climate and how the landscape is starting to change. You can find all things Marisa and Creative Thursday creativethursday.com and on instagram and facebook @creativethursday
How Much Do You Need to Hustle?
July 15, 2021 07:00 - 26 minutes - 24.6 MBWhat's it really take to be a professional Artist? How many hours are you supposed to work to make your dream a reality. In this episode I share the truth of what's involved to growing an online business in today's climate and how the landscape is starting to change. You can find all things Marisa and Creative Thursday creativethursday.com and on instagram and facebook @creativethursday
242 Changes starting now!
July 01, 2021 07:00 - 25 minutes - 23.1 MBAs I come to the close of a season of learning + growing + did I say learning and more growing? It's time to take what I've learned and put into practice, both personally and professionally. We're doing things a bit different this summer. Tune into this episode for all the details. You can find all things Marisa and Creative Thursday creativethursday.com and on instagram and facebook @creativethursday
241 Embarking on my Journey of Healing with EMDR
June 24, 2021 07:00 - 36 minutes - 33.5 MBI shared a few weeks ago about my first therapy session specific to EMDR and the outpouring of encouragement and support (from you!, thank you!) inspired me to share some more thoughts on the start to this journey. And if you'd like me to share more with you, let me know. I believe the more we are willing to be vulnerable and open up (to whatever degree we are comfortable sharing) about our journey around healing, the more the world heals together. xo You can find all things Marisa an...
240 Your Mid-Year Check-in
June 17, 2021 07:00 - 40 minutes - 37.4 MBThis season, you know the one with the laid back summer vibes (or chill winter vibes for my Southern Hemipshere friends) not usually known for planning....however what I've found... is that this is actually one of the the BEST times of year to peacefully check-in and do a little pre-planning for the next 6 months of the year ~ and specifically prepare your Holiday season collection, my business Artist friend! In this episode I'm sharing 3 simple steps to do a mid-year check-in that will se...
239 Calling All High-Achieving Artists
June 10, 2021 07:00 - 37 minutes - 34.1 MBCall all high-achieving and heart-centered Artists. Want to to turn your passion into an Art career, here are the top qualities I believe it takes to thrive as an Artist, selling online today. I know, I know ~ when I was coming up with this title High-Achieving Artist (not to be confused with over-achieving) that pairing of words sounded so unfamiliar, downright strange. In my desire to support Artists in building a thriving business around a practice of creating Art they love, I never ...
238 Why I'm not the Right Mentor For You
June 03, 2021 07:00 - 39 minutes - 36.1 MBIf this is your attitude, chances are I'm not the right Mentor for you. When I constantly say that the opportunity to become your Mentor is an honor I do not take lightly, it's not just polite lip service ~ I mean it and this is why. I take your trust in me very much to heart. The more years I do this work, the more I want to become an even better Mentor, which means that behind the scenes, I'm now constantly learning and refining my skills as a coach, to show up my best for you. Mento...
237 The Elephant in the Room
May 27, 2021 16:43 - 1 hour - 62.9 MBRadical transparency, no justification Maybe you can relate? but I would say that many of us Creatives still have a disconnect around embracing “Marketing” “Selling” and “Making Money” while still making our Art (with heart). Proudly making money and creating Art that lights you up are not mutually exclusive. I'm exploring this topic more in the coming weeks, and I'm kicking off the conversation in today's podcast episode where I very clearly explain a shift in my business for th...
236 Amplifying Your Superpower
May 20, 2021 07:00 - 26 minutes - 23.8 MBWhat's your superpower? If you're maybe, oh I don't know rolling your eyes right now, or feeling discouraged (hug to you) and saying in your mind or out loud, “superpower, what superpower, I have no idea" - Stop that ok!You have it, likely more than one. There are 2 questions I share in today's podcast episode to help you identify what it is. Identifying and embracing your superpower is a discovery, and I believe we've been making all of this a bit more complicated than it needs to be....
235 Getting your Work Seen + Sold with Marketing Expert + FB Ads Agency Owner Zach Spuckler
May 13, 2021 07:00 - 1 hour - 66.4 MBWho knew that a spontaneous trip to NYC in 2015 with a ticket to the first Periscope conference in hand would lead to this learning opportunity? exhibit a: photo of me + Zach Spuckler and friends in NYC when the Revlon Cam projected us on the huge screen in Times Square But first! my fellow creative, lean in + listen closely as my guest, friend + mentor, Zach Spuckler gives you a peek behind the curtain about an untapped marketing possibility that Artists are barely, if at all exploring...
234 Becoming Debt Free
May 06, 2021 07:00 - 42 minutes - 39.2 MBLet's talk about debt for a minute, is it friend or foe? For the first time in years of growing Creative Thursday, I'm having a financial breakthrough, paying back debt that began when my business started, and this is how I'm doing it! Welcome to the Age of the Thriving Artist. The doors to TRIBE are closing tonight. Could this be your turning point like it was for me. You can join here. You can find all things Marisa and Creative Thursday creativethursday.com and on inst...
233 Avoiding Artist Burnout
April 29, 2021 07:00 - 57 minutes - 53 MBThe line between pushing yourself and burning out as an Artist is very thin, and tough to recover from once you cross it. In today's episode I'm sharing some tips with you on how to avoid burnout while setting your Art business up to support you during all the seasons of your creative cycle. A clubhouse room, enjoy the conversation afterwards including answering the question do you have to keep doing REELS? How to know when it's time to step back or keep forging ahead with the commitments ...