In this episode my guest is Bryce Smith, and Ben Vadez. Both friends. After the horrible events of George Floyd, then the protests, I reached out to Bryce to help try and create a deeper understanding of racism, and where as a white man I can do better. I was taken back when he confronted me for reaching out, but as I listened, and understood, it was clear. In our talks, we felt it was important to make it an episode in our podcast. Here's our chat as we discuss and try and break down the construct of racism and our current status… 


Bryce Smith : @BryceWillardSmithe

Ben Valdez :  @Ben.Valdez.5249


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