"From those humiliating moments have come the most illuminating moments… about myself, about other people, about organisations, about society, and I really see it as accelerated learning even if it's learning the hard way."

In this week's episode of the Change Happens podcast, host Jenelle McMaster is joined by Lord Mayor of Melbourne Sally Capp, who shares how she seeks to create change and the lessons she has learned along the way as Lord Mayor of the city she loves, with an insight into the highs and lows of the COVID-19 pandemic in Melbourne.

Host: Jenelle McMaster  is Deputy CEO Oceania and Markets Leader at EY.

Guest:  Sally Capp Lord Mayor of Melbourne.

Listen now on: Apple Podcasts or Spotify or where ever you get your favourite podcasts.