The first of this two-part episode pulls apart the issues with cats and birds. Producer Mark Bramhill gives Tenijah  an overview of how outdoor cats affect bird populations, why it’s such a controversial issue, and what’s to be done about it. Guests including “The Cat Daddy,” Jackson Galaxy, and Dr. Peter Marra.

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