I love conversations with interesting people – people who have strong opinions, know who they are, believe in what they do, work hard, and live to help others. John Mark McMillan is one of those people. Maybe that’s why this conversation went a little long. John Mark McMillan is a fantastic singer/songwriter, most known for […]



I love conversations with interesting people – people who have strong opinions, know who they are, believe in what they do, work hard, and live to help others. John Mark McMillan is one of those people. Maybe that’s why this conversation went a little long.


John Mark McMillan is a fantastic singer/songwriter, most known for his song “How He Loves” which is sung in churches all over the world. There is so much depth to this guy. He is making the music he wants to make, not what others think he should do.


It was just super fascinating to get his perspective on art, songwriting, worship music, influences, production, and so much more. Feel free to listen in spurts but make sure you get all the way to the end. This is not a conversation to be missed!



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In this Episode You’ll Hear More About:

How JMM defines his music.

Thoughts on the “genre” of worship music and categorizing music.

Tips for being honest with your art.

The tension between the song you want to sing and the song people want to hear.

The phenomenon of “How He Loves”

Specific tips JMM learned from his top 5 influences.

Worship leading lessons from Bruce Springsteen.

The problem with pop culture influence on worship music.

How JMM approaches songwriting – tips, tricks, routines.

How to deal with insecurities as an artist.

The sound of Borderland and why JMM likes it better than Economy.

Finding deeper creativity by limiting your options.

The benefits of music school and really developing your craft.

The story behind the new You Are the Avalanche EP.

Creating art with small children.

The story behind JMM’s record label Lionhawk Records.

Some current music JMM has been listening to.

JMM’s favorite live shows.

Resources Mentioned in this Episode:

Website: John Mark McMillan

Twitter: twitter.com/johnmarkmc

Music: You Are the Avalanche by John Mark & Sarah McMillan

Music: Borderland

Music: Economy

Music: The Medicine

Music: The Song Inside the Sounds of Breaking Down

Book: Steal Like An Artist by Austin Kleon

Book: The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard

Book: The War of Art by Steven Pressfield

Book: The Impossible Mentor by Ray Hollenbach

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