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Being Known Podcast

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Discovering and exploring what it means to be truly known.

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S9E5: Glory

April 24, 2024 09:00 - 30 minutes - 69.5 MB

Welcome to Being Known Podcast. This season we are discussing Curt's latest book, The Deepest Place as we carefully cover each chapter to deepen your understanding of suffering and the formation of hope.   Who would ever imagine that glory and suffering would have anything to do with each other? As it turns out, a great deal. So much so, in fact, that when we consider a particular aspect of God’s glory (one that we rarely do), we see how, when we take it seriously, it utterly transforms an...

S9E4: A Wide Place to Stand

April 17, 2024 09:00 - 42 minutes - 97.1 MB

Welcome to Being Known Podcast. This season we are discussing Curt's latest book, The Deepest Place as we carefully cover each chapter to deepen your understanding of suffering and the formation of hope.   For Jesus followers, as we approach the topic of suffering, we can’t bypass the body. Fortunately, neither does Paul in Romans 5, or what we know from neuroscience. For indeed, the more we pay attention to how the body works, the more the texts of scripture make sense in our world, a wor...

S9E3: Declaration of Way - and Peace

April 10, 2024 09:00 - 43 minutes - 100 MB

Welcome to Being Known Podcast. This season we are discussing Curt's latest book, The Deepest Place as we carefully cover each chapter to deepen your understanding of suffering and the formation of hope.   Although the bible doesn’t begin with violence, it gets there pretty quickly, beginning with a snake, then a brother killing his brother, and on and on it goes. And as it turns out, as much as we are at war in so many ways with so many others, we are more at war with God than anyone, and...

S9E3: Declaration of War - and Peace

April 10, 2024 09:00 - 43 minutes - 100 MB

Welcome to Being Known Podcast. This season we are discussing Curt's latest book, The Deepest Place as we carefully cover each chapter to deepen your understanding of suffering and the formation of hope.   Although the bible doesn’t begin with violence, it gets there pretty quickly, beginning with a snake, then a brother killing his brother, and on and on it goes. And as it turns out, as much as we are at war in so many ways with so many others, we are more at war with God than anyone, and...

S9E2: Just Faith

April 03, 2024 09:00 - 33 minutes - 75.9 MB

Welcome to Being Known Podcast. This season we are discussing Curt's latest book, The Deepest Place as we carefully cover each chapter to deepen your understanding of suffering and the formation of hope.   If you pick up a book on suffering, you might hope it will tell you how you can learn to suffer less, or even not at all. That’s not what we’re doing here. Instead, we will discover that before we even get to suffering, we must, as Christians, begin long before that, just as Paul does in...

S9E1: Into the Deepest Place

March 27, 2024 09:00 - 37 minutes - 85.3 MB

Welcome to Being Known Podcast. This season we are discussing Curt's latest book, The Deepest Place as we carefully cover each chapter to deepen your understanding of suffering and the formation of hope.   To be human is to suffer. To be transformed does not deliver us from it. In fact, a great deal of what we do in life is dedicated to avoiding so much of the suffering that inhabits our stories. I only want to read a book that tells me how I can suffer less, or even not at all. But that’s...

S8E11: It’s Time for Beauty

December 20, 2023 10:00 - 35 minutes - 81.3 MB

There’s nothing quite like an encounter with beauty to remind us that we are temporal—and, temporary—creatures. Who hasn’t wanted the gorgeous sunset to just go on and on and on? Who has listened to Rachmaninoff’s All-Night Vigil, and not desired it to go on indefinitely?   Beauty is like that. It transports us into states of timelessness that remind us that we were made, not for this world—but for the world that is coming.   Join us for the last episode of this season that will remind u...

S8E10: The Interpersonal Nature of Beauty

December 13, 2023 10:00 - 45 minutes - 103 MB

Beauty is not just something that sits there and waits for our reaction. It is something that, should we allow ourselves to be open to it, actively draws our attention not only to it, but draws us to draw others’ attention to it as well. In this way, beauty’s purpose serves to engage us with each other—so that we can create and curate even more beauty.   Join us as we discover how beauty reveals the inescapable reality that we were made for connection, and that beauty is one of God’s most ...

S8E9: The State of Beauty

December 06, 2023 10:00 - 47 minutes - 108 MB

So much of what shapes our perceived distress or joy in life is related to how we transition from one state of mind to another. Our willingness to place ourselves in the path of oncoming beauty does many things, not least slowing our pace in life, such that we become much more aware of when and how we are making a transition from one to another state of mind.   This slowing of our pace makes it possible for us to be aware of so much more that is going on in that very transition—and respond...

S8E8: Surprised by Beauty

November 29, 2023 10:00 - 41 minutes - 94.6 MB

During Curt and Pepper’s recent trip to El Salvador, they each found themselves surprised by beauty in various ways. Surprise can lead to any number of emotional reactions, depending on what, exactly, it is that surprises us. When it is beauty that is doing the surprising, we are opened to joy, goodness and even greater beauty than we would expect out of life.   Join Pepper and Curt as they explore surprising stories of beauty, and along the way introduce you to Shaun Groves, a pastor and ...

S8E7: What is the Beautiful Story You Are Telling?

November 22, 2023 10:00 - 48 minutes - 111 MB

Like no other creatures, humans are storytellers. Moreover, our stories all have a beginning, a middle and an end. And the way we tell stories has to do with the end in mind.   So, think of it: the stories we tell about our lives—not least the parts that we hate the most—will be governed by where the story is ultimately going. Despite the carnage that we see all around us, the God of the bible is intent upon telling a story of beauty. He does not intend to have us waiting until the very en...

S8E6: In the Service of Beauty

November 15, 2023 10:00 - 40 minutes - 91.8 MB

Pepper and Curt had the privilege of spending five days in El Salvador as part of a Compassion International team of visitors. Join us as we share about the extraordinarily durable beauty that is emerging in some of the hardest stories we could imagine—and how all of this is pointing to the emerging kingdom of God.   . . . . Episode Links and References Artistic Offering discussed today: Gustav Holst; "Jupiter, The Bringer of Jollity" Artistic Offering for next week: Dave Wilcox: "How D...

S8E5: Remembering Our Future Beauty

November 08, 2023 10:00 - 47 minutes - 108 MB

It is easy to be amazed, even astonished in the presence of beauty. But it is just as easy to forget it, given how easily distracted we are by so many things. If it is true that what we pay attention to, we remember; and what we remember becomes our anticipated future, then we don’t just recall beauty for the sake of itself, we do so in order to shape the futures of our lives that we anticipate. And this is as much true for the parts of our stories that are traumatized as those for which we ...

S8E4: As Beauty Makes Sense of Us

November 01, 2023 10:00 - 42 minutes - 97.5 MB

Once we sense beauty, we begin to tell a story about it. We make sense of it. We pay attention to it. We sometimes analyze it. But beauty often reveals things about us. In sensing things, we become aware of feelings and memories that before we were unaware of. In this way, we are enabled to tell our stories more truly. And all of this employs the horizontal domain of integration—the relationship between the right and left hemispheres of the brain. Listen in as Curt and Pepper explore how th...

S8E3: The Sense of Beauty

October 25, 2023 10:00 - 48 minutes - 111 MB

First, we sense. And then we make sense of what we sense. Beauty is not first something we think about. It is first something we behold with our senses. And our senses necessarily involve our bodies. For indeed, even when we imagine beauty in our mind, we use our brains to do so. This follows the sequence of creation in Genesis 2 when God first formed a body, and then breathed life into it.   Join Pepper and Curt as they explore the role of the body in encountering beauty, and how paying a...

S8E2: The Beauty of Awareness

October 18, 2023 10:00 - 38 minutes - 87 MB

In the path of oncoming beauty. Given that we are wired to pay attention to danger for the sake of protection, purposefully attuning to beauty can at times feel risky. But when we make it our intended purpose to create space for beauty, we find ourselves seeing any number of things that we didn’t before. Some of those things include our wounds that we have covered for longer than we know. But that only gives us the chance to imagine the emergence of beauty from parts of our lives that hereto...

S8E1: In the Path of Oncoming Beauty

October 11, 2023 10:00 - 44 minutes - 102 MB

In the path of oncoming beauty. Sure, we have talked about this notion over many seasons of The Being Known Podcast. But of what practical value is it? How does it speak to our longings, our grief or the renewal of our relationships, communities and institutions? Is it merely an intellectual exercise, divorced from making a difference in my real life? Join Pepper and Curt as they answer with a resounding, “No!” Instead, journey with them into the deeper recesses of what it means, exactly,...

S7E7: End of Season Q&A

July 26, 2023 10:00 - 35 minutes - 82.4 MB

Thank you for joining us this season to learn about confessional communities. In this final season episode, Curt, Pepper and Amy answer listener questions to draw you closer to finding and creating your own community.   . . . . Episode Links and References The Center for Being Known New Story Behavioral Health Connections Conference 2023 - Register today for this incredible Oct. 27 event on the theme of Emergence. PLUS, access to the Being Known Podcast LIVE on Thursday, Oct. 26 The D...

S7E6: Confessional Communities: The Later Seasons

July 19, 2023 13:30 - 38 minutes - 87.1 MB

Welcome to season 7 of Being Known Podcast were we are continually looking at what it means to be truly known. This season we are exploring confessional communities.   How do we end anything well—and especially those experiences that have become so significant in our growth? Moreover, how do we say goodbye well in a culture that gives us very few resources in knowing how to do that? Pepper and Curt explore how bringing a confessional community to close—either for an individual who is leavi...

S7E5.2: Confessional Communities: Learning to Love Doing the Work

July 12, 2023 10:00 - 27 minutes - 63.6 MB

Welcome to season 7 of Being Known Podcast were we are continually looking at what it means to be truly known. This season we are exploring confessional communities.   This week we are continuing the conversation we started last week to "love doing the work"   Over the course of time that a confessional community gathers, many things will be learned, including the process of growing in your awareness of what the process is actually doing to provide the opportunity for growth that you are...

S7E5.1: Confessional Communities: Learning to Love Doing the Work

July 05, 2023 10:00 - 23 minutes - 53.9 MB

Welcome to season 7 of Being Known Podcast were we are continually looking at what it means to be truly known. This season we are exploring confessional communities.   Over the course of time that a confessional community gathers, many things will be learned, including the process of growing in your awareness of what the process is actually doing to provide the opportunity for growth that you are experiencing.  Pepper and Curt talk about that process of what happens in a confessional commu...

S7E4: Confessional Communities: Getting Started

June 28, 2023 10:00 - 32 minutes - 74.7 MB

Welcome to season 7 of Being Known Podcast were we are continually looking at what it means to be truly known. This season we are exploring confessional communities.   This week, Pepper and Curt walk you through the early stages of starting a confessional community, the questions that might come up, and what is necessary to get yourself ready to be part of one. How does a Confessional Community get started? What are the fundamental requirements, and am I ready to dive in? Who are the pe...

S7E3: The Symphony of Confessional Community

June 21, 2023 10:00 - 35 minutes - 80.7 MB

Welcome to season 7 of Being Known Podcast were we are continually looking at what it means to be truly known. This season we are exploring confessional communities.   There are multiple forces in play that are part of what forms us. That is no different in the confessional community. What are the realities that we encounter in confessional communities that set them apart from other relational and social encounters—and, as a result, then set us apart to be formed into the image of Jesus. ...

S7E2: Confessional Communities: A Community of Formation

June 14, 2023 10:00 - 32 minutes - 75 MB

Welcome to season 7 of Being Known Podcast were we are continually looking at what it means to be truly known. This season we are exploring confessional communities.   We are continually being formed by something. The question is always, BY WHAT? If we want to become more like Jesus, there is no question that this does not happen magically. It takes work—the hard work of submitting to those formational realities that are most likely to do that.   Confessional communities have the potenti...

S7E1: Confessional Communities: Forming Outposts of Beauty and Goodness

June 07, 2023 10:00 - 28 minutes - 65.2 MB

Welcome to season 7 of Being Known Podcast were we are continually looking at what it means to be truly known. This season we are exploring confessional communities.   We have shared a great deal about confessional communities over the last several seasons on Being Known Podcast. We thought we would take this opportunity to dive in and take a closer look at their purpose and how they operate. Although the best way to discover these things is to actually participate in a confessional commun...

BONUS: Bottom Left Drawer: The Beauty and Wisdom of ”Getting Your Ducks in a Row”

April 12, 2023 10:00 - 35 minutes - 82.1 MB

BONUS!!  This week Curt and Pepper are joined by our very own Amy Cella, producer of BKP and creator of Bottom Left Drawer (BLD). Together, we discuss the beauty and wisdom of being prepared for various seasons of our life.   Bottom Left Drawer is all about getting your ducks in a row, so you’re good to go. But what does that mean?  Amy shares about BLD and the process of getting your affairs in order, whether that be crafting a will, securing vital documents or getting intentional about t...

S6E10: End of Season Q&A

April 05, 2023 10:00 - 36 minutes - 84.6 MB

We've come to the end of our season on the Beauty of Wisdom. In this end of season episode we review our conversations, answer your questions, and pull it all together.    . . . . . Thank you to our season sponsor - Hope Heals Hope Heals - Hope Heals Camp is a truly unique offering in the world. No other space in existence today invites families experiencing disabilities – of any age, with any diagnosis, from any place – to enjoy multi-day respite, a rich network of relationships, and ac...

S6E9: Eternity in Their Hearts

March 29, 2023 10:00 - 45 minutes - 105 MB

Welcome to season 6 episode 9 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.   Shame doesn’t just appear out of nowhere. Shame begins in the earliest communities in which we dwell. It is to those communities we now turn to see how shame emerges there—but also what we can do to retell the stories of those communities: our families, our churches and schools. Listen in as we get to the bottom of the places where our stories begin, and begin to reimagine how God ca...

S6E8: The Wisdom of Many Advisers

March 22, 2023 10:00 - 46 minutes - 107 MB

Welcome to season 6 episode 8 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.   We live in a world that has trained us to believe that we each live in our own personal silo. But this flies in the face of what neuroscience tells us about the interconnectivity of our minds. So much of our anxiety—and our lack of wisdom—stems from our trying to live against the current of how God has created our minds to function. We think we need to be able to live life on our own...

S6E7: Where Are You... And Where Are You Going?

March 16, 2023 16:17 - 46 minutes - 107 MB

Welcome to season 6 episode 7 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.   It’s hard to know where we are going if we first do not know where we are. The integration of the domain of our state of mind is critical if wisdom is what we seek. For if we are not aware of the state that our mind occupies—knowing where we are—how will we be able to move in the path of wisdom?   Join us as Pepper and Curt discover how being known enables us to more consistently b...

S6E6: The Story of Wisdom

March 08, 2023 10:00 - 42 minutes - 96.6 MB

Welcome to season 6 episode 6 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.   The book of Proverbs portrays Wisdom as calling out in the streets. She, in effect, is telling her story, and asking us to join her. As it turns out, it is crucial in becoming people of wisdom that we not only understand the stories we tell about ourselves, but that we tell them wisely. And to do this, we need other trustworthy people in our lives who can help us do this. For it is i...

S6E5: Wisdom of the Ages: Remembering our Future

March 01, 2023 10:00 - 44 minutes - 102 MB

Welcome to season 6 episode 5 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.    The memory domain of integration is not only about the past, it’s about the future. The future we are remembering. And indeed, becoming wise has everything to do with how you make sense of your past, something you are doing every moment of your life, even if you are not aware of it.   For if we are to be wise as we approach our future, we must be aware of how our past is shaping u...

S6E4: Right and Wrong: Being and Knowing…and Being

February 22, 2023 10:00 - 42 minutes - 98.1 MB

Welcome to season 6 episode 4 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.    We often assume that wisdom is to be equated with knowing things. And indeed, knowing things is important. But only to the degree that it enables us to create beauty and goodness in the world, not least that of flourishing relationships.   Our challenge is that so often we are interested in acquiring knowledge because we are more concerned with being right than we are about being ...

S6E3: The Wisdom of the Body: Beginning at the Beginning

February 15, 2023 10:00 - 48 minutes - 110 MB

Welcome to season 6 episode 3 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.    God creates mankind in a particular sequence, as Genesis tells us. He begins with mud, into which he breathes his breath. And so we too, in order to become people of wisdom, people who are deeply known, must be present first to our bodies.   What are they telling us? And how do we then make sense of what we are sensing? How do we act with our bodies in such a way that wisdom is ac...

S6E2: 2. The Word of God: The Presence of Wisdom—and the Wisdom of Presence

February 08, 2023 10:00 - 39 minutes - 90.9 MB

Welcome to season 6 episode 2 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.    In the beginning, it was God’s presence that hovered over the deep waters of chaos. But before that wisdom was with God, and then was at his side as God brought order and purpose in his creating the world. Presence. For to know what wisdom is, let alone acquire it, we must first be present to it—in the same way that we must be present to God, to ourselves, and to each other as the s...

S6E1: The Beauty of Wisdom

February 01, 2023 09:45 - 42 minutes - 97.7 MB

Welcome to season 6 episode 1 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom as we address the following: What does it mean to be wise, and how does life at the intersection of interpersonal neurobiology and Christian spirituality—a life of being known—reveal how we can become people of wisdom in a world that so desperately needs it?   We would expect there to be no debate: wisdom is something everyone thinks is a good thing. Who would ever want to be more fooli...

BKP LIVE - Oct. 27, 2022

January 25, 2023 10:00 - 1 hour - 159 MB

As part of the Connections Conference 2022 hosted by The Center for Being Known, Curt, Pepper and Amy sat down for a live podcast recording to talk all things friendship, favorites and being known.   Learn more about The Center for Being Known at www.thedbk.org  

S5E11: End of Season Q&A

October 05, 2022 12:45 - 41 minutes - 94.7 MB

We've come to the end of our season where we talked in-depth with personal stories as it related to Curt's book, The Soul of Shame.   In this end of season episode we review our conversations, answer your questions, and pull it all together. We won’t be ashamed if we don’t answer all your questions, though we know we wish we could.   . . . . .   Thank you to our sponsors Hon’s Honey - Hon's Honey is a social enterprise dedicated to giving dignity and purpose to women survivors of trau...

S5E10: Renewing Vocational Creativity

September 28, 2022 09:45 - 48 minutes - 111 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 10 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at chapter 9, “Renewing Vocational Creativity”.   Human beings were made in God’s image in order that we might create and curate beauty and goodness in the world, not least through all of our acts of work, whether we are paid for it or not. But evil finds any and all of that creativity to be anathema.   No wonder then, that...

S5E9: Redeeming Shame in Our Nurturing Communities

September 21, 2022 09:45 - 50 minutes - 117 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 9 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at chapter 8, “Redeeming Shame in Our Nurturing Communities”.   Shame doesn’t just appear out of nowhere.  Shame begins in the earliest communities in which we dwell.  It is to those communities we now turn to see how shame emerges there – but also what we can to retell the stories of those communities: our families, our churc...

S5E8: Our Healing Cloud of Witnesses

September 14, 2022 09:45 - 47 minutes - 110 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 8 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at chapter 7, “Our Healing Cloud of Witnesses”.   For shame to be healed and our lives recommissioned, we need more than good information so we can simply appropriate it on our own as individuals. In the same way that we were made as contingent, co-regulating people who, made in God’s image, require the presence of others for ...

S5E7: Shame’s Remedy: Vulnerability

September 07, 2022 09:45 - 48 minutes - 112 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 7 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at chapter 6, “Shame’s Remedy: Vulnerability”.   Hiding and isolation are hallmarks of shame. Moreover, the very notion of exposing our shame is…shaming.   Who knew that the very thing that we are most fearful of—our shame being exposed—is the place we need to begin to discover shame’s healing, and to have our stories begin ...

S5E6: Shame and the Biblical Narrative

August 31, 2022 09:45 - 42 minutes - 97.6 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 6 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at chapter 6, “Shame and the Biblical Narrative”.   At the heart of all that the Bible is lies a story.  YES, a story about humans and all that we are. But even more so, a story about a God and who he is. In many ways, the Bible is the story that God is telling about us.   Given what we have learned thus far about how shame ...

S5E5: The Story of Shame You Are Living

August 24, 2022 09:45 - 44 minutes - 101 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 5 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at chapter 4, “The Story of Shame You Are Living”.   We’re all storytellers.  Unlike any other living creature, humans are the only animals that tell stories in the way we do.    It is in those stories that our shame takes up residence, with all of the mechanics we have learned about so far, and begins to tell a story that l...

S5E4: Joy, Shame and the Brain

August 17, 2022 09:45 - 44 minutes - 103 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 4 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at chapter 3, “Joy, Shame and the Brain”.   We were made for joy. ⁠ ⁠ The bible and our greatest literature attest to this. But not only this: research in attachment reflects that joyful human relationships are the key to our well-being. ⁠ ⁠ No wonder, then, that shame targets our experience of joy as its first priority in...

S5E3: How Shame Targets the Mind

August 10, 2022 10:00 - 31 minutes - 72.5 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 3 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at chapter 2, How Shame Targets the Mind.   It has been said, “Keep your friends close. And keep your enemies closer.” If we want to know what evil is up to as it uses shame in its quest to devour us, the first thing to know is how the mind works—so that we will also know where and how evil is doing its dirty work.   In this...

S5E2: Our Problem with Shame

August 03, 2022 10:00 - 45 minutes - 104 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 2 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at chapter 1, Our Problem with Shame.   It’s not enough to know what shame IS. We also have to know how and where it works. Our problem with shame is not just a sensation in which we feel bad. It’s about all the ways that it hijacks our mind, relationships, and mostly, the story in which we believe we’re living.   . . . . . ...

S5E1: The Story That Shame is Trying to Tell

July 27, 2022 10:00 - 32 minutes - 74.2 MB

Welcome to season 5 episode 1 where this season we are bringing you personal stories and deep teaching into Curt’s book, The Soul of Shame.  This week we are looking at the introduction section, The Story That Shame is Trying to Tell.   ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­What is it about shame? Why is it that it just doesn’t seem to go away?   Moreover, what makes it so destructive? Is it its mechanics? Or is it because it gets so intimately tangled up in our stories? Not only that, but is shame always bad f...

S4E12 Wrap Q&A

May 18, 2022 10:00 - 56 minutes - 129 MB

Being Known Podcast normally ends our season with a wrap up episode highlighting each episode with one more nugget of wisdom.  This season we mixed things up a bit and asked our listeners and followers what they wanted to know more about.   We received over 40 questions seeking additional wisdom on sexual trauma, generational trauma, trauma and the church and more.   A few of the questions asked include: How does trauma play out in our relationship with God? And how does this affect ou...

S4E11 Healing Trauma: The Wholeness of Integration

May 11, 2022 10:00 - 49 minutes - 113 MB

Welcome to Season 4 of Being Known Podcast where we are looking at trauma through the lens of hope and not fear.  This week we talk on how we can begin to heal from trauma with a look at the wholeness of integration.   We were made to create beauty and goodness in the world.  But evil has other plans, and wields trauma as a way to devour us before that goodness and beauty can be realized.   But - God had other plans beyond those of evil – plans that evil never saw coming, and still doesn...

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