Baskets Of Knowledge
130 episodes - English - Latest episode: 3 days ago -Everyone has a story. With this podcast we have chats with people to speak about their story. From student to wherever they might be now. Each episode looks to share nuggets of knowledge that can be used by any of our listeners.
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Episode 118 - Dreams can come true: From India to New Zealand with Rakesh Banerjee
May 26, 2024 06:00 - 55 minutes - 50.5 MBGrowing up in india our guest this week would never in a million years think that he would be sitting in an office in New Zealand talking about the journey that has taken him halfway across the world. This week Rakesh Banerjee talks to us about how growing up in india he had never thought that he would end up in New Zealand. His life story has many ups and downs has Rakesh relates the story about living, working and growing up in India. The opportunities that he took during that time opene...
Episode 117 - From electric vehicles to Jenga towers with Aleida Powell
May 19, 2024 06:00 - 1 hour - 57.4 MBThe universe works in crazy ways! This week's guest happened to come on at the same time that the skies were being lit up around the world with the Aurora's and at the same time power companies around the world were warning customers about possible network outages. You might think what has this got to do with our guest? Well the inspirational Aleida Powell is someone who works in the power and energy sector! Coincidence or more... We delve back to where this all started for Aleida, as a y...
Episode 116 - Embrace challenges with grace and resilience with Manpreet Dhanjal
May 12, 2024 04:49 - 1 hour - 61.2 MBAs we think about our lives, we all go through certain stages where things happen. These are a mixture of the "good" the "bad" and sometimes the "ugly". Our guest this week summarises this really well as she speaks to us about how different phases of her life led to growth at different parts of her life. Manpreet Dhanjal talks to us this week about how from being someone that was a super homebody not wanting to leave home to become a person who helped set up a company that allows her to be a...
Episode 115 - Life: Bring on that rollercoaster with Anna Clark
May 05, 2024 06:00 - 1 hour - 71.9 MBThis week our guest grew up in a small rural community in the South Island of New Zealand. It was in this community that our guest embraced the beauty and the fragility of nature. Being an island nation, New Zealand native flora and fauna is, like other island nations, always under threat from invasive species. This is where our conversation with Anna Clark starts. However, as the title says, Anna's story takes on the twists and turns of a rollercoaster. We talk to Anna about how an accide...
Episode 114 - The Courage to Speak Your Truth with Salma Abdalla
April 28, 2024 06:00 - 1 hour - 57.4 MBThis week's episode is a hard hitting and very powerful chat with our guest who shares her journey of being a woman, a woman of colour, a woman of colour who wears a hijab Our guest Salma Abdalla talks to us about navigating the question "Where are you from?" How that question has so many layers and so many answers that provide a rich tapestry for our conversation. We talk about the sacrifices her parents made for them to move to New Zealand and the challenges that they faced when the...
Episode 113 - Reclaiming the Pen: You are the master of your own story with Luis Perez
April 21, 2024 06:00 - 58 minutes - 53.5 MBOur guest this week has been leaving an impact in all the mahi/work that he is involved in. However, in this episode we go right back to where it all started from. We speak to Luis Perez about arriving in New Zealand as a refugee. He has used his experience to provide platforms such as Voice of Aroha to allow people that live in minority ethnic communities to share their stories. We also delve into Luis's foray with the importance of exposure, the power of allowing people to have an experie...
Episode 112 - Following your heart beat to make a change in the world with Sean Prenter
April 14, 2024 06:00 - 1 hour - 60.4 MBOur guest this week shares a story that should inspire anyone that hears it to stop for a moment to think about what their real passion for doing things is. Sean Prenter shares his story about an accident that changed the trajectory of his life. This change has resulted in Sean becoming an advocate for marginalised young people in education. In this episode we speak about the various projects and roles Sean has been involved in. From setting up a disabled students association, being Co-Presi...
Episode 111 - Sparking that Chat and Stoking that Flame with Jack Jensen
April 07, 2024 06:00 - 43 minutes - 40.2 MBTrigger warning, this podcast touches on suicide, If you or someone you know is experiencing suicidal thoughts or a crisis, please reach out immediately a professional to help you. On this week's podcast the passion, the drive and the mission our guest Jack Jensen has is palpable throughout the whole conversation. We speak to Jack about the creation of MSFT Productions and how that tapped into a space that is close to Jack's heart, the ability to do some really living on the edge things to g...
Episode 111 - Speaking that Chat and Stoking that Flame with Jack Jensen
April 07, 2024 06:00 - 43 minutes - 40.2 MBTrigger warning, this podcast touches on suicide, If you or someone you know is experiencing suicidal thoughts or a crisis, please reach out immediately a professional to help you. On this week's podcast the passion, the drive and the mission our guest Jack Jensen has is palpable throughout the whole conversation. We speak to Jack about the creation of MSFT Productions and how that tapped into a space that is close to Jack's heart, the ability to do some really living on the edge things...
Episode 110 - Embracing my Kiwi-Identity ❤️ with Sneha Sathish
March 31, 2024 05:00 - 48 minutes - 44.1 MBA scientist at heart our guest this week Sneha talks to us about the journey that she has undergone as she has taken her love for science at school to complete her degree in an area she enjoys. This conversation explores that journey, but we also get to chat about Sneha's passion for helping young people which resulted in her choosing to be an RA for two years before taking up her current role as a Residential Coordinator at the Halls at the University of Canterbury. Her passion for helpin...
Episode 109 - Life : A path of learning with Teja Depuru
March 24, 2024 05:00 - 1 hour - 57.3 MBDancing and being on stage, if we had told this weeks guest that one day he would be showing his pride for his culture and upbringing through dance he would have told us we were dreaming. This is just one of the areas we get to speak about with our fantastic guest Teja Depuru this week. Teja talks to us about growing up as the child of new immigrants to New Zealand. The importance that his family placed on him knowing and always embracing the roots that he has come from. This has been a str...
Episode 108 - Fail Faster with Kii Small
March 17, 2024 05:00 - 1 hour - 56.7 MBBorn in Barbados but raised in the winterless North in New Zealand, our guest this week uses the energy and learnings from his formative years in Northland to power him in all that he does. Kii Small is a creative hustler who has teamed up with some like minded people to develop platforms that allow for individuals to better understand their mental health, as well as understand historical contexts. He is the Founder of the SaySo Project, a digital storytelling platform that gives young peop...
Episode 107 - When a passion turns to a PhD with Peter Remoto
March 10, 2024 05:00 - 41 minutes - 37.6 MBGrowing up in the Philippines our guest today moved with his family to small town Hawera where he discovered something called rugby and a community that was really welcoming. Education has always been something that was normalised in his family. Peter Remoto talks to us about how he was unsure what to study when he first started at University but decided to have some physics and some chemistry in his first year. Through his study he got to a stage where he discovered that he really enjoyed...
Episode 106 - Faith, Discipline and Consistency: Pillars of Growth with Ozair Sahib
March 03, 2024 04:56 - 1 hour - 58.9 MBChange is part of life, but we all approach this in different ways. In this weeks episode we explore some key phases of change faced as they moved from school to uni, from uni to work and all the various changes along the way. Our guest Ozair talks to us about how he used discipline, consistency and faith to help him navigate his path. We talk about the joys of finding new friends and embracing the diversity they bring. There is a full circle moment as we discuss not knowing what to do at...
Episode 105 - Faith: For Everything that life throws at you with Ghananta Duppati
February 25, 2024 05:00 - 1 hour - 61.4 MBComing from a household where teaching has always been the profession of choice, this weeks guest had decided that she would break the mould and try something different. However, as we all know, life has a funny way of working things out and we speak to our guest about how she has found herself in a classroom being a teacher. During this episode we also speak about how life has thrown Ghananta her fair share of surprises. Through each of these surprises Ghananta talks to us about how her ...
Episode 104 - From Maniac to Medic with Marcus Campbell
February 18, 2024 05:00 - 50 minutes - 46.4 MBThis week we have a throwback to a guest from Episode 19, at that time Marcus was at the start of his study journey and spoke about the journey he was undergoing then with his identity as being Māori. In this episode we speak to a very different person who has faced the disappointment of not getting into a professional health program. We speak about how this was the best worst thing to have happened to Marcus. The inner growth that has seen him reframe his world and really think about why ...
Episode 103 - The power of a smile: Vito's Journey
February 11, 2024 05:00 - 57 minutes - 52.3 MBGrowing up in Auckland our guest this week grew up in a world where his identity was well defined as a young person. However, as he grew older and the kinds of people that lived around him changed this got him thinking about what his cultural identity was. Through this episode we speak to Vitolio Niuloa about how he now proudly represents his Samoan and Niuean cultures. What this means to him and how it led him to design a Pacific research project focusing on the importance of interpersona...
Episode 102 - Beyond borders: Navigating change, education to employment and future focus with Shailan Patel
February 04, 2024 05:00 - 1 hour - 57.9 MBThis week our guest is well known by anyone that is looking to work in the field of accounting or has an interest in this area. He is well known by many of the tertiary providers in New Zealand and Australia with the work that he does in engaging with communities through his employer MYOB. However, like all our guests Shailan Patel is way more than what his job title is. In this episode we talk about how Shailan had set a few timestamped resolutions in his life and how these have led him to...
Episode 101 - The power of youth voice: Decision makers time to listen with Angus Lonergan
January 28, 2024 05:00 - 1 hour - 58.4 MBBuilding a community is something that is innate to all humans. However, as humans we tend to marginalis some communities based on some variable be it race, religion, age, sexual orientation. Our guest this week Angus Lonergan speaks about the passion he has for working within these communities. In his current role as the Child & Youth Engagement Lead with UNICEF Aotearoa Angus gets to work closely with getting the voices of young people heard. Not just heard but also valued by those that...
Episode 100 - Young New Zealander of the Year with Shaneel Lal
December 27, 2023 04:48 - 49 minutes - 45.7 MBMany people will know our guest this week from their work as being an activist, a columnist and a political commentator. OR you might know them for the work they were involved in with a banning of conversion therapy in Aotearoa/New Zealand. In this final episode of 2023 with Shaneel, we touch on those topics, but we talk more candidly about Shaneel just completing their Law degree with the University of Auckland, the move from Fiji to New Zealand. We also speak about the writing journey th...
Episode 99 - Law and Policy: An International Journey of Self-Discovery with Anne Lim
December 17, 2023 05:00 - 1 hour - 55.2 MBOur guest this week arrived in New Zealand from Malaysia as a fresh faced 17 year old to embark on her tertiary pathway. However, before navigating that she had to get used to the radically different culture that welcomed her to her new "home". Anne Lim decided to try a law paper because she was looking for something that would get her problem solving and critical juices flowing. This paper that was done just to see what it was like ended up being one of Anne's qualifications as she gradua...
Episode 98 - Staying grounded, whichever path you land on with Jess McIntyre
December 10, 2023 05:08 - 1 hour - 56.8 MBGrowing up on a farm in rural Southland our guest this week speaks to usabout how she has navigated different paths in her life and has gotten to a place right now where she has found happiness. Happiness is a key theme of todays episode as Jess talks us through being a young person that was not sure what she wanted to study to finding a passion in science. BUT not just science for the sake of it but how science can be applied back into a real life setting. During her time studying Jess als...
Episode 97 - Māori Millionaire - The Origin Story with Te Kahukura Boynton
December 03, 2023 05:00 - 1 hour - 61.2 MBOn this week's episode our guest speaks about how seeing the inequalities while at high school fired her up to try to make a difference. Little did she know that the difference she was about to make was going to take her on a path that has seen her impacting the lives of a lot more people than she planned. Te Kahukura Boynton is the the host and owner of Māori Millionaire, but her story starts well before she found this as her calling. In this episode we talk about her early days as a stu...
Episode 96 - Inspiring your inner kaitiaki with Nate Wilbourne
November 26, 2023 06:14 - 1 hour - 55.7 MBOur guest Nate Wilbourne this week has always been one with nature, it has been his norm. At the age of eight he planted his first tree which got him thinking about being a kaitaki for a place that he has a passion for, the land. This has led him to a journey that has seen him involved in a large number of organisations that are all focused on nature conservation as well as being an advocate and an activist in this space. In this episode we speak about being a young person trying to balanc...
Episode 95 - Living life the Ikigai way with Kaita Hummel
November 19, 2023 06:00 - 50 minutes - 46 MBAs a young shy year 9 student our guest today would not have imagined that in a few short years he would be confidently speaking to large groups of people in a public space. BUT what our guest did know was that the head students at his school were kind to him and were positive role models, and this was a goal he had, to become the Head Boy at his school. Our guest this week @Kaita Hummel speaks about the opportunities that he has taken up to be involved in areas that he feels strongly a...
Episode 94 - Embracing imperfect advocacy with Hope Cotton
November 13, 2023 07:00 - 57 minutes - 52.4 MBImagine living in a world where you were unable to communicate as openly as you wanted, a world where people assume you can hear what they are saying but you can't. This is the world that this week's guest has had to navigate. Hope Cotton, our guest this week speaks to us about growing up deaf. The impact of this was realised fully during the Covid-19 lockdowns when schools started to use online learning. The lack of captioning software at the time was highlighted. This has led Hope to b...
Episode 93 - An abundance of love: The horrible things that happen in life, make you love who you are with Inaki Cepeda
November 04, 2023 05:00 - 1 hour - 81.8 MBTrigger warning. In this weeks episode we speak about Cancer, Self Harm, Depression, Mental Health. Please avoid this episode if any of these topics may have a detrimental effect on you. Our guest this week started off our conversation with the line "and lots has happened in my life". This was a fantastic premise to this really wonderful, open, honest and emotive conversation. Moving to New Zealand from Uruguay, Inaki has had the challenge but also the advantage of growing up travers...
Episode 92 - Who knows where a conversation can go with Prajesh and Tane
October 22, 2023 05:00 - 42 minutes - 39.3 MBWhat was meant to be a 20 minute reflection ended up being a 45 minute podcast! In today's episode we talk to Tane about his busy year juggling coaching opportunities with honours research. We talk about the challenges and triumphs he has had in coaching, and how he endeavours to take these learnings into coaching for 2024. At the same time, we explore postgrad research and how Tane aims to promote the value of government initiatives if they can lead to better physical activity experiences f...
Episode 91 - Creating Happiness through empowered story telling with Lola Fisher
October 15, 2023 05:00 - 55 minutes - 51.1 MBThis week's guest is a mover and shaker as they look to change the narrative around young people in New Zealand. @LolaFisher is a 15 year old that has challenged the norms that society has around young people. This started by getting involved in a photography course to pass some time, little did she know that this would change the trajectory of her life. Through that one course she was introduced to a mentor that saw the potential Lola has. This potential has become a tangible force when ove...
Episode 90 - Surfing life's waves to get to Paris 2024
October 08, 2023 05:00 - 59 minutes - 54.7 MBGrowing up in the beautiful East Coast in New Zealand in a tiny area called Makorori Beach, our guest this week speaks openly about her love for her community, her love for the area she grew up in and her love for being in the Ocean. Saffi Vette talks to us about how the classroom was not a place that she enjoyed, but while at school she grew to love the outdoors and embraced the competitive nature that she has. Through this conversation Saffi talks to us about the influence her family, e...
Episode 89 - Owning your inner critic and defeating it with Hadi Daoud
October 01, 2023 05:00 - 1 hour - 61.6 MBHaving an entrepreneurial mindset has been the norm for our guest this week. From buying and selling parts through AliExpress to building his own wee iron forge, our guest speaks to us about how being a "nerd" is something that he has owned. We speak about balancing running a social enterprise scheme with his mate Owyn, while maintaining his study. We speak about the challenges and wins that he has experienced as a person and also as an organisation. Hadi, also speaks about how the impact of...
Episode 88 - If not now, When? With Rishita Bharani
September 17, 2023 08:00 - 1 hour - 55.3 MBLiving in three countries and about to move to her fourth, our guest this week speaks about the challenges and learnings she has had along the way. Her family have moved from India to South Africa to New Zealand each one place has had a formative experience for her. Rishita talks to us about the passion that has been ignited in her belly which first started when her mum "made" her give a speech at school. That speech entitled "Traumatised Coffee Beans" might have just been the start that ha...
Episode 87 - Be the role model you wish you had growing up with Aarthi Candadai
September 10, 2023 06:00 - 59 minutes - 54.3 MBCast your minds back to when you were 14 years old. What were you doing? What were you thinking? Can you even remember that age? Our guest was applying to be on various committees and boards because she wanted to make difference. This week, Aarthi speaks to us about how she has not let her age stop her from being involved in things that most adults shy away from. She speaks with passion and lots of joy about being an advocate for her community, for not letting the colour of her skin sto...
Episode 86 - Seek Discomfort: The Path to Balancing Dreams and Distance with Loyd Doron
September 04, 2023 07:17 - 54 minutes - 50 MBStorytelling has always been part of human nature. The use of stories has been used to capture the imagination, to highlight special topics and also used to entertain. Our guest this week has found his passion for storytelling through the use of the camera. Loyd grew up in a small town on a small island in the Philippines, it was there that his fascination for storytelling was ignited. Through simple school projects he realised the power that a simple smart phone can have to tell a story. Lo...
Episode 85 - Pay now, play later with Jaxson Tautala-Hanita
August 20, 2023 06:00 - 1 hour - 66.1 MBGrowing up in a low socio-econimic area our guest this week had the odds stacked against him from the start. However, with a mum that would not let this define his future and with the strength of determination our guest has gone on to break down barriers, doors and ceilings to get him to where he is today. In our chat, Jaxson Tautala-Hanita breaks down how saying yes to small oppurtunities along the way has led to some fantastic pay offs in his growth. We touch on the impact that racism has...
Episode 84 - Just say YES with Quintin Jane
August 13, 2023 06:00 - 57 minutes - 53 MBEveryone of us has a time in our lives when we are so tied to an identity and for lots of us that identity is linked to a job/career path. This was no different for our guest this week. His identity was linked to his love for watching House MD, so it was very obvious that being a doctor was the identity he was tied to. However, this does not work well when you arrive at university and discover that you do not like Anatomy! This is the starting point for the conversation with Quintin as w...
Episode 83 - The unexpected path to purpose with Kendall Flutey
August 06, 2023 06:00 - 1 hour - 67.1 MBAs a young person our guest this week speaks about how when the time came to leave school to go to university she just did what she thought she enjoyed and was the thing to do and off she went. She did well in her chosen course of study but also used her time at university to explore other interesting ideas. The shift that our guest speaks about happens when she went into the corporate world, which was a fantastic space for her with amazing people, but the career path this was leading down ...
Episode 82 - When plans change but goals don't with Ashleigh Stanners
July 30, 2023 06:00 - 1 hour - 64.1 MBA biology teacher told our guest at the age of 14/15 that she should think about studying genetics as she seemed to take to it naturally. That one conversation sparked an area of interest that now sees our guest, Ashleigh Stanners on the cusp of entering a Masters program that will incorporate her passion in this space. However, as you will hear in this episode this was and has not been a smooth pathway. Ashleigh speaks to us about the first time she faced a panic attack and how that ...
Episode 81 - Passion comes from purpose, purpose comes from music with Candice Clark
July 23, 2023 06:00 - 1 hour - 58.8 MBThis weeks guest is a highlight as she speaks to us about her upbringing in a town that has both cultural and global significance. She speaks about her upbringing shaped her formative years. As we delve deeper into the conversation our guests explores the various learnings she has had as she has navigated life, study and finding her passion in music. Candice speaks to us about a wide range of topics, but with such depth of lived experience learnings that we can all take away something from h...
Episode 80 (part two) - A Brothers Tale: The journey is more important than the destination
July 09, 2023 07:22 - 55 minutes - 51 MBWith part two, we continue to discuss our guests in depth story on the journey that has gotten them to where they are today. In this story, which is broken up into two parts, our guests Samad and Uzair talk about going back to live and learn in Pakistan how this became a defining moment for them both. We delve into being diagnosed with cancer and feeling helpless. We speak about mental health, well being and trying not to lose yourself when going to university, how both Uzair and Sama...
Episode 80 (part one) - A Brothers Tale: The journey is more important than the destination
July 03, 2023 06:00 - 58 minutes - 53.6 MBBorn in Pakistan but spending most of their lives in Christchurch our guests this week share an in depth story on the journey that has gotten them to where they are today. In this story, which is broken up into two parts, our guests Samad and Uzair talk about going back to live and learn in Pakistan how this became a defining moment for them both. We delve into being diagnosed with cancer and feeling helpless. We speak about mental health, well being and trying not to lose yourself when go...
Episode 79 - Books and Boats - Balance from a high-performance student athlete
June 25, 2023 05:29 - 56 minutes - 51.3 MBGrowing up in a family that has always excelled in the sporting arena, todays guest Kobe Miller speaks about how this has helped him get to where he is today. In this podcast we speak about the reality of being a high-performance athlete while studying at university. It also becomes very clear about the impact the self-discipline and self-awareness has on being successful on both fronts. Kobe talks to us about the challenges faced when he first got to university while giving us a wee ...
Episode 78 - Passion brings fruits with Max Balloch
May 07, 2023 06:00 - 53 minutes - 49.4 MBPhysics physics physics when the world seems like you will be doing science because that's what you know at school.. but then realise that when you come to university hey, you can do anything you want so why not do something that you love?? This is the epic story this week's guest Max Balloch shares with us. When you embrace the mantra of doing something you love, your outlook on the world changes immensely. This mantra has led Max into delving into Philosophy while dabbling in Science Commu...
Episode 77 - Connection, identity and hauora on our journey with Nathan Kenah
April 30, 2023 06:00 - 57 minutes - 53 MBMany of us go thorugh our lives not realising or being fully aware of what our values are, this is one of the things that truly stops us from doing things that really align with us. This weeks guest Nathan Kenah, locked down his values from a very early age. Even though he may have not realised it at the time. His journey so far has taken him from living in a comunity that is predominately Maori to a place that is radically different. This podcast speaks to how he has navigated this change, ...
Episode 76 - Control Your Thoughts, Control Your Life with Ben Hobbs
April 23, 2023 06:00 - 55 minutes - 51.2 MBImagine being told by your business teacher at secondary school that you should probably stay away from anything to do with business. Then a few years later you are running your own business at the age of 23! This weeks guest Ben Hobbs shares amazing learnings and nuggets of gold as he talks to us about realising that tertiary study was not for him at this point in life. How that took him down a path where he has learnt a number of skills as he has tried his hand at the world of business. H...
Episode 75 - From Project Management to Fitness with Natacha Sanguinetti
April 16, 2023 06:00 - 58 minutes - 54.4 MBThe beauty of French architecture inspired this week's guest to pursue the study of Architecture and Building Sciences, but as we all know things change along the way and Natacha found an interest in Project Management and Sustainable Design. Crazy to think at that point the world was not ready to embrace the idea of sustainable thinking. This led Natacha down the project management pathway. Along this journey she used her student smarts to make the best of an offer that Les Mills was running...
Episode 74 - Bring a snack and lets chat with Kylie Price
April 11, 2023 08:53 - 1 hour - 63.8 MBOn the occassion of Prajesh's birthday it was really fantastic to have singer/songwriter and all round fantastic human being Kylie Price as our guest. In this episode Kylie speaks to us about her move from Dunedin to London which has brought about oppurtunities, challenges and lots of growth. Kylie opens up to us about her mental health journey, navigating being a musician while studying at university and how being in an introvert in an extrovert industry is okay. The conversation weaves thr...
Episode 73 - How to hitchhike, Do Good with your career and get trapped in Peruvian mountains with Gavin Bishop
April 02, 2023 07:49 - 1 hour - 64.5 MBGrowing up in a family that lived in a number of places around the world has shaped the values and principles of this week's guest. Our guest Gavin Bishop speaks to us about life living in all these different places, his motivation to study medicine and how the skills he has picked up as a hitchhiker has introduced him to some interesting people leading to all sorts of conversation.We also speak about Gavins' interest and passion for sharing his educational experiences through educational vi...
Episode 72 - Breaking Free: Overcoming Limiting Beliefs and Pursuing Your Dreams with Rawiri Ratahi
March 26, 2023 05:00 - 1 hour - 58.8 MBGrowing up in a world where limitations were determined by the perceived lack of capabilities, our guest this week got caught up in that mindset early on in his life. However, moving to another city and meeting people that were achieving things that he thought were out of his ability got him to rethink his mindset. This then set Rawiri on a path that has seen him complete an undergrad degree, then a Masters program and in the midst of all this he has managed to intertwine and really understa...
Episode 71 - Conserving yourself and the planet with Michael Fox
March 12, 2023 05:37 - 1 hour - 62 MBClose your eyes for a second and try to imagine that the first flight that you take to leave New Zealand, the country you have always lived in, is Bolivia! And you then spend next 7 weeks in the middle of the jungle caring for some of the worlds apex predators, this is what our guest this week speaks about. Before we even get to that adveture our guest Michaal Fox talke about how caring for the environment has always been something he has been passionate about. This has led him to being invo...