1:20 - Ryan introduces Chris Shank 4:50 - Chris takes us back to the start of her training journey 12:00 - Chris explains that her new education and skills were difficult to transfer to her own pets 13:25 - Ryan asks about what valuable learning opportunities occurred from Chris’s time working with dolphins in the US and in Germany. 16:45 - Chris is honest and brave about sharing her experience regarding her introduction to breeding birds and the impact to her life. 20:45 - Ryan asks about the switch in Chris’s life regarding training techniques with birds 23:20 - Chris shares her face book and email details. 24:00 - Ryan asks about the activities and events at Cockatoo Downs. 28:25 - Ryan asks Chris to discuss free-flying parrots. 40:45 - Chris expands how she discusses with people about free-flying their pet parrots as it is often controversial. 45:10 - Ryan asks if having a frank conversation about consequences about free- flying their parrots with clients help. Chris describes an example of how it can go drastically wrong. 47:45 - Ryan asks about training with parent-raised birds and chicks. 54:00 - Chris shares her final comments on the training world at this time. 55:50 - Ryan thanks Chris and wraps up the episode.