Episode 52. The Three Buckets of Shame. Ulland and Jo review Jo’s insightful idea about three major ways that shame can manifest itself. Perfectionism, fear of being seen and taking up too much space in the world. Several examples are given. Jo even does opposite action to shame after saying “Um” like, seriously, way too many times. Jo steps into her light, and her shame. Not for the faint of heart. Ulland reveals that at one time he was, indeed, 2 legit to quit.