Episode 78. Horror Stories from the Ward. Ulland admits outright to Jo that the title of this episode is clear click-bait. The content of the episode discusses how some things have not changed with stigma in mental health and with some discussion of systemic invalidation. They review the idea of DBT being misunderstood and at times judged as “elitist”. They pose ideas as to why this might be. Sometimes one provider sees things another providers might miss, and judging others for not knowing what they don’t know isn’t fair.