In episode four of All About Apprenticeships, presenter Georgie Frost chats to Channel Four's queen of lunchtime telly, Steph McGovern, about her apprenticeship at Black and Decker and how that shaped her career - and gave her the confidence to step in front of the camera. Plus we find out from Steph what a bull pizzle is and what she told the Education Secretary he should do to support apprentices.

Georgie also meets the second of our podcast apprentice cohort - 19 year old Jasmine King, who is doing a degree apprenticeship with Flagship Group, and catches up with Laura Burley, from the Open University, to find out how the latest lockdown is affecting apprentices and what 2021 might have in store for the sector.

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