Helene and Adri talk about how things are not looking up for Matt Gaetz, as well as chapter 36 of OotP. In discussing this chapter, we talk about the politics of pain and retributive justice as the ministry becomes a bit more crowded than anticipated. We also cover how Voldemort and Dumbledore come face to face in the Ministry of Magic while Harry comes to terms with Sirius’ death.

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For this episode, we’re doing continuation of our series on Mothers in the Wizarding World: Narcisa and Petunia edition. To quote Helene these characters are “Awful people who would literally do anything to keep their sons safe.”