The Substance Beyond the Music

Instrumental music allows for a high degree of abstraction, so unlike most music based around lyrics, a typical jazz composer has the freedom to just dig into the sounds without concern for the "meaning." And yet some creators of instrumental music seek that meaning  anyway for some of their work (like Jen) or even most of it (like Noah). Jen and Noah dig into the discussion of how, when, and why this melding of abstraction and meaning occurs for them.