We reach over the proverbial cubicle wall and chat with the testers!Kenneth, Kevin & Len are joined by Janco Wolmarans and Oz Chihwayi to talk about their experiences of having software testers integrated into a multi-functional software delivery team.Oz shares with us how he went from running batch processes during the graveyard shift to become a software tester and a key member of his team. Janco tells us the most difficult thing he's done in his career is choose a title on LinkedIn!The idea for the show came about after Kenneth saw Janco & Oz give a talk at the DeveloperUG meetup. They've since taken this talk to Let's Test 2016 in Sweden, along with "vim for testers" and a workshop on flow.We talk about they formed such an integrated team, a team where the developers and testers have daily mob programming sessions. We also clarify the difference between automated software testing, or checking, and the roles of software testers in the team.The result is many lessons from a tightly integrated team, where everyone shares in the responsibilities and rewards of delivering solutions, even if some solutions never involve writing a single line of code.Follow Janco & Oz online:- https://twitter.com/jancowol- https://twitter.com/ozchihwayiHere are some resources mentioned during the show:* DeveloperUG meetup that started it all - http://www.meetup.com/DeveloperUG/events/212155692/* Let's Test Conference - http://lets-test.com/* Mob programming with Martin Cronje - https://zadevchat.io/15* Spine Model with Kevin & Danie - https://zadevchat.io/29* Context-Driven-Testing - http://context-driven-testing.com/And finally our picksKevin:* Blameless PostMortems and a Just Culture - https://codeascraft.com/2012/05/22/blameless-postmortems/Kenneth:* How much does the president really matter? (Rebroadcast) - http://freakonomics.com/podcast/much-president-really-matter-rebroadcast/Janco:* C2 Wiki - http://c2.com* Refactoring by Martin Fowler - http://martinfowler.com/books/refactoring.html* No Silver Bullet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Silver_BulletOz:* Software Craftsmanship: The New Imperative - http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1035377.Software_Craftsmanship* @HistoryInPics - https://twitter.com/HistoryInPics* Let's Test South Africa 2-4 Oct 2016 - http://lets-test.com/?page_id=4964Thanks for listening!Stay in touch:* Website & newsletter - https://zadevchat.io* Socialize - https://twitter.com/zadevchat & http://facebook.com/ZADevChat/* Suggestions and feedback - https://github.com/zadevchat/ping* Subscribe and rate in iTunes - http://bit.ly/zadevchat-itunes

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