Kat Vellos (KatVellos.com) is tired of hearing people on social media tell this one story: "I'm out of f**ks to give!"


While the declaration started out as good-humored—a way to jest and say, "I'm just so over it!"—today, she says, the story behind the saying now reeks of toxic individuality. In a world that needs more caring—and, in which people who care about bad outcomes are doing a lot of harm—Kat encourages us to take pride in caring, even more. But how do we care even more in a time when it feels so hard to keep caring?


Kat Vellos is an author, speaker, facilitator, researcher, and former user experience designer who is on a mission to help people to experience greater authentic connections with each other, and healthy friendships in their personal lives. She is the author of two books, We Should Get Together: The Secret to Cultivating Better Friendships and Connected from Afar: A Guide for Staying Close When You’re Far Away. Her words and work have been seen across TEDx, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Fast Company, and dozens of other outlets.


In this interview with host Dave Ursillo, Kat shares wisdom and inspiration including...


Why the saying, "I'm out of f**ks to give!" has come to grate her as someone who caresWhat her extensive research on the modern pandemic of loneliness reveals about the importance of relationshipsHow her experience as a UX designer taught her to be outcome-focused and solution-orientedWhat we can all learn about caring, including how to care even more, in a time that needs more of us to care about outcomes


Thank you to Kat for joining us on The New Story Is!


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