Jonas Roupé (LinkedIn, webpage) is a strategist and human being as well as a magician. This conversation touches upon the work he has been involved with from ecocide to making business more circular. But most of all we talk about the concept of resilience and agency in a time of crisis and collapse. Jonas outlines a pathway towards life that is perhaps counterintuitive in the current cultural narrative, an invitation to the local, the human the small. We speak of different roles and different approaches to the collapse: like protecting wise decisions now, building pathways for transition and for releasing the musts. We speak of the buddah, dharma and sanga, the physical, social and aesthetic human and much much more. This is a warm, soft conversation that left me with a a sense of joy and meaning. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.