Elephant Attacks, Sobriety and Mindfulness

In this episode, we interview Margy's best friend and friend of the podcast, Ella Fleming.

Ella talks about how the trauma of being trampled by an elephant in Thailand led her down a path of spiritual awakening and sobriety. Through becoming more mindful, Ella came to realize that she was deeply unhappy and that her relationship with alcohol was an attempt to fill this void.

She opens up about the scary vulnerability of early sobriety- including her first sober date and first sober dance party!- as well as the value of having more time and money to pursue her hobbies.