We get an update on what men are doing or should be doing to support the women they work with. And we talk about our role in helping them help us. Guests: Brad Johnson, David Smith, and Lily Zheng. Our theme music is Matt Hill’s “City In Motion,” provided by Audio Network.

Gender equity at work won’t happen without men. But what exactly should men be doing? How should they support the women they work with? And in what ways can women shape those efforts so that they actually help us?


We speak with three experts on diversity and inclusion about how men can become effective allies. Brad Johnson and David Smith share best practices for men trying to build stronger relationships with women, and Lily Zheng joins us to talk about allyship on a systemic level.


Our HBR reading list:

How Men Can Become Better Allies to Women,” by W. Brad Johnson and David G. Smith
Social Distancing Doesn’t Have to Disrupt Mentorship,” by W. Brad Johnson and David G. Smith
Adapt Your D&I Efforts to the Reality of the Crisis,” by Lily Zheng
How to Show White Men That Diversity and Inclusion Efforts Need Them,” by Lily Zheng
Why Sexual Harassment Programs Backfire,” by Frank Dobbin and Alexandra Kalev

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Our theme music is Matt Hill’s “City In Motion,” provided by Audio Network.