Kimberlyn and Leilani discuss the spectrum of powerlessness from numbing to distancing and how a resilient spirit embraces toughness and elasticity.

Their check-ins:  Kimberlyn’s reaction to Hanya Yanaghihara’s A Little Life and social pornography; Leilani wonders if dancing all night could be considered training for walking the Camino in June.

Mentioned in the episode: Maya Angelou’s poem, “Still I Rise”

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