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As Advent continues Sean and Ben talk about holding on to hope when things seem hopeless, and the work involved in realizing our ideals.

Also, the Dewey Decimal System is named after Melvil Dewey, not John Dewey.

Thank you to Rob Mathes for letting us use his song "Wake up Wide-Eyed" off the album Wheelbarrow for our intro and outro. Find more of his work and buy his music on his website.