In 2018, I had the pleasure of hearing Mark speak at the Revolutionary Love conference in NYC. The way he broke down and broke open our country’s founding documents to demonstrate the inherent racism embedded in them blew me away. I knew I had to have him on the podcast. In part one of the this 2-part interview, Mark takes a good, long look at our nation’s history and heroes and deconstructs them so it’s impossible to continue the practice of not-knowing that white people cling to.

Also in this episode, Aisha + Kerry talk about Bernie Sanders, how Martin Luther King’s famous speech has been appropriated by whiteness, and of course, they giggle.

Mark Charles



Presidential candidate, author, speaker and teacher.




In 2018, I had the pleasure of hearing Mark speak at the Revolutionary Love conference in NYC. The way he broke down and broke open our country’s founding documents to demonstrate the inherent racism embedded in them blew me away. I knew I had to have him on the podcast. In part one of the this 2-part interview, Mark takes a good, long look at our nation’s history and heroes and deconstructs them so it’s impossible to continue the practice of not-knowing that white people cling to.

Also in this episode, Aisha + Kerry talk about Bernie Sanders, how Martin Luther King’s famous speech has been appropriated by whiteness, and of course, they giggle.