Adaptability, HTMX, and DivOps with Jonathan Creamer

Jonathan Creamer, Senior Software Engineer at Microsoft and a tech enthusiast, is carving out a niche in the world of front-end tooling. He's even coined the term "DivOps" with the help of his team. Jonathan is passionate about creating and experimenting with new tools that enhance developer workflows. He is on a mission to reduce the reliance on YAML configuration in CI/CD pipelines by converting repetitive tasks into code. For him, it's all about making these processes more efficient, maintainable, and testable.

Jonathan shares one of his core beliefs, which is the importance of staying adaptable in a tech career. He encourages developers to stay open to new languages and concepts. His advice? Invest time in specializing for a few years to gain an in-depth understanding, then move on to the next thing. According to Jonathan, the hallmark of a senior engineer is someone who continually broadens their skill set.

In this episode, Jonathan talks to Robbie and Chuck about hot takes on popular tech topics, the world of front-end tooling, and the importance of staying adaptable as an engineer.

Key Takeaways

[01:26] - Introduction to Jonathan Creamer.

[04:38] - A whiskey review: 13th Colony Southern Bourbon Whiskey

[16:58] - Tech hot takes.

[30:18] - How HTMX will change the way apps are built.

[37:08] - Jonathan talks about how he came up with the term, “DivOps”.

[55:27] - If Jonathan wasn’t in tech, what career would he choose?

Quotes

[30:51] - “There’s no way in Office we’re going to decide, let's get rid of the 20 million lines of React code that we have in our code base and switch to HTMX.” ~ Jonathan Creamer

[35:36] - “There are so many ways to solve problems on front-end development. There’s just no reason to bash anybody for anything.” ~ Jonathan Creamer

[47:51] - “If you’ve been writing front-end code for 10 years and you don’t know how back-end works still, I would imagine you probably do.” ~ Jonathan Creamer

Links

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Jonathan Creamer Twitter
Microsoft
Hoover
Ford
Eventbrite
React
Lonely Planet
National Geographic
Apple
Coca-Cola
ABC Fine Wine & Spirits
Pins Mechanical
Nashville Barrel Company
Nelson’s Green Brier Distillery
Flutter
Adobe ColdFusion
jQuery
Visual Studio Code
John Resig
Tailwind CSS
Chris Coyier
Digital Ocean
Sentry
Twitter
Svelte
Mozilla Firefox
Google Chrome
Microsoft Edge
Angular
NodeJS
Sagamore Spirit
YAML
Brooks School
Canon

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