Jeff Cassel is a designer, guitarist, and all around creative wizard.  We've known each other for around 15 years so in this episode we opened  up with a bit on our history and walked through Jeff's childhood,  specifically in how he was raised by two families in two ways of  thinking, which shaped his perspective of dualism early on. From there  we got into the topic of archetypes centered around Carl Jung's work—  something that Jeff is fascinated by and studies constantly. After that  we pivoted into talking about Jordan Peterson, who is a public figure  that both Jeff and I were invested in years ago and have since  deconstructed and reshaped the way we perceive him, along with others  like him in "The Intellectual Dark Web." In closing we talked about how  to think critically using nuance and third way tools to help avoid  groupthink, cognitive dissonance, and hero worship. Enjoy!  Follow Jeff on Instagram/Twitter at @casselthunder  Hear his music here: ygatm.bandcamp.com/