Are you interested in policy-making for sustainability? What do you think about the UN Sustainable Development Goals? How can we break the siloes for systems to talk to each other?


Trailer for episode 192 - interview with Alison Scotland, Executive Director at Australian Sustainable Built Environment Council. We talk about her vision for the future of cities, advising policy-making, optimism as a choice, getting rid of policies, the time being right to change, and many more.


Find out more in the episode.


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