What Comes After What Comes Next
21 episodes - English - Latest episode: over 2 years ago -Join James Shaw, New Zealand's Minister for Climate Change and Green Party co-leader, and some of the world's leading thinkers to explore the big ideas about how we solve the climate crisis and renew our economies and societies in a post-pandemic world.
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Climate change, security, and geo-politics with Ben Rhodes
September 17, 2021 21:00 - 56 minutes - 77.4 MBWe're back! And for this episode we're lucky to welcome the one and only Ben Rhodes onto the show. Ben spent eight years with President Barack Obama - as a close confidante, speechwriter, national security advisor, and friend. He was there when the Paris Agreement was signed, and at Obama's side every step of the way towards that historic moment - including the breakthrough with China that ultimately paved the way for the agreement. We hope you enjoy this one. It's rare to get to speak ...
The control of the control of nature with Elizabeth Kolbert
July 26, 2021 05:00 - 1 hour - 86 MBElizabeth Kolbert is the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Sixth Extinction. Her most recent book, Under a White Sky, looks at the unintended consequences of human attempts to control nature with technology. "We're now intervening to counter the effects of our own intervention," Kolbert says. "I call it the control of the control of nature." When it comes to climate change, the question that lies at the heart of Under a White Sky is essentially whether various experiments in geoengine...
Building political support for the transition with David Axelrod
June 25, 2021 21:00 - 58 minutes - 79.8 MBThis week James catches up with the former chief strategist and senior advisor to President Obama, David Axelrod. James and David talk about the tensions between consensus building and the need for urgent action when it comes to climate action. They also talk about the need to tell a positive story about how climate action will benefit people's lives. David shares his experience of working on 150 campaigns across the U.S., including Barrack Obama's two historic elections in 2008 and 2012...
Telling stories with Barbara Kingsolver
May 27, 2021 07:00 - 55 minutes - 75.6 MBThis week James catches up with award winning author Barbara Kingsolver, whose work over the last three decades has eloquently and movingly touched on matters of genuine social and environmental concern. Most notably, Barbara's novel Flight Behaviour conveyed the impact of climate change on a community, an ecosystem and a species. The novel also draws out the tension that can exist between one's everyday life and the changes happening around us, of which we can feel powerless to address on ...
Why we must listen to indigenous voices with Hindou Oumarou Ibrahim
May 07, 2021 21:00 - 1 hour - 85.4 MBWhen Hindou Oumarou Ibrahim was a child, Lake Chad in her home country spanned 10,000 km2. Today, because of climate change, it is around a tenth of that size. As Hindou puts its "climate change is not about our future, it's about our present.” Hindou is an expert in the adaptation and mitigation of indigenous peoples to climate change. She is a member of the Mbororo pastoralist people in Chad and President of the Association for Indigenous Women and Peoples of Chad (AFPAT). Oumarou Ibrahi...
The habitable earth with David Wallace-Wells
April 23, 2021 21:00 - 1 hour - 91.2 MBJames catches up with author and journalist David Wallace-Wells. David's 2017 best-selling book The Uninhabitable Earth began with the now-famous line “it is worse, much worse, than you think.” It then goes on to set out in rich and forensic detail what the impacts of climate change could be for our politics, our culture, our economy, and our psychology. It's one hell of a book and comes highly recommended, especially as more and more countries come forward with emissions reduction pledges...
Climate science and protecting the "best" planet with Dr. Kate Marvel
April 14, 2021 06:00 - 56 minutes - 77.9 MBThis week James catches up with world-renowned climate scientist and science writer, Dr. Kate Marvel. Kate is research scientist at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and a professor at Columbia University’s Department of Applied Physics and Mathematics. One of the reasons for inviting Kate on the show was to get to the bottom of how a climate model works. How can we know with any certainty what we are doing to the planet – and why are there still some things that we do not know ...
Climate, geopolitics, and trade with Jeffrey Sachs
March 26, 2021 20:00 - 55 minutes - 76.1 MBKia ora! Welcome back for the second series of What Comes After What Comes Next, Aotearoa New Zealand's number one podcast about how we tackle the climate crisis and renew our economies in a post-pandemic world. To kick off series two James catches up with "probably the most important economist in the world"* Professor Jeffrey Sachs. *according to the New York Times, no less. James chatted to Jeff about climate change, global trade, and geo-politics. So, you know, just a couple of ligh...
Series Two Coming Soon!
March 24, 2021 21:15 - 1 minute - 16.4 MBSeries two drops this Saturday. Look forward to joining you then! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Post-pandemic recovery with Bill McKibben
October 13, 2020 20:00 - 36 minutes - 50.3 MBAs we weather the economic storm of the COVID-19 pandemic, the climate crisis continues to loom large. We also face a biodiversity crisis and a crisis of deepening poverty. The good news is that all of these crises can be solved together and that is very much the message of this week's guest, Bill McKibben. And he certainly knows what he is talking about. In 1988, Bill wrote The End of Nature - the first book for a common audience about global warming. He also co-founded 350.org, an intern...
Polarisation with Ezra Klein
September 12, 2020 21:00 - 51 minutes - 70.6 MBWith the US election just around the corner, James speaks to the journalist and political commentator Ezra Klein about political polarisation and climate change. Ezra is the founder and editor-at-large of Vox.com, the award-winning explanatory news organisation. He is the host of the excellent podcast the Ezra Klein Show and recently published the book Why We’re Polarised, which draws from history, political science and psychology to carefully explain how different groups of Americans can...
Climate action in the USA with former Senator Fran Pavley
August 20, 2020 06:00 - 55 minutes - 76.6 MBThe US is a leader on climate change – just not where you might think. Cities, states, and businesses are America’s climate innovators, deploying bottom-up solutions - and working with legislatures, city councils, and corporate boards to drive the transition to a low carbon economy. There is one state in particular that often comes to mind when thinking about climate action in the US, and that’s California. This week James talks to one of the architects of California's climate action - ...
Anger, hope, action with George Monbiot
August 01, 2020 21:00 - 58 minutes - 80.4 MBJames chats to the writer and activist George Monbiot. A self-described "professional troublemaker," George Monbiot has been writing about climate change, the natural environment, and the economy for more than 35 years. As you’ll hear, he remains deeply concerned about the dangers of climate breakdown. However he is clear that we can change, that we can do things differently. He captured this brilliantly in a recent TEDTalk he gave where he draws on findings from psychology, neuroscience...
Agriculture and eco-feminism with Dr. Vandana Shiva
July 25, 2020 20:50 - 1 hour - 86 MBThis week James talks with the physicist, ecologist, activist and writer Dr. Vandana Shiva about the future of agriculture and the role of gender in environmental politics. During the conversation Dr. Shiva talks about her concept of “Earth Democracy.” Earth Democracy is rooted in the ancient Indian concept of Vasudhaiva kutumkam, the earth family. As one family, all beings have equal rights to sustenance through the gifts of the earth. Its three components: economy, environment, and peopl...
Music, Politics and Climate with Brian Eno
July 17, 2020 20:50 - 49 minutes - 68.1 MBSo far we've talked to campaigners, economists and business people about how we tackle the climate crisis in a post-pandemic world. This week we've got something a little bit different for you. James catches up with the legendary producer Brian Eno and talks to him about the role art can play in helping us understand and tackle climate change. Brian also shares some fascinating ideas about how different models and structures for making music can teach us how to better organise society and ...
Conservation with Dr. Jane Goodall
July 07, 2020 05:00 - 45 minutes - 62.6 MBThis week James talks to the legendary primatologist and conservationist Dr. Jane Goodall. Dr. Goodall has pioneered work in community-centered conservation and sustainable development projects. Here she talks about the power of individual action, and the important relationship between poverty reduction and protecting the environment. Follow James on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Jane Goodall Institute Roots and Shoots Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Climate finance with Mark Carney
June 26, 2020 20:55 - 1 hour - 84.2 MBThis week James talks to the former Governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney. Mark's term as head of the Bank of England ended in January 2020. Soon after, he was appointed as the lead financial advisor for the next global climate talks in Glasgow 2021. Mark has been hugely influential in ensuring global financial markets understand their exposure to climate risk and develop strategies to avert them. Alongside Michael Bloomberg, Mark established the Task Force on Climate-related Finan...
Doughnut economics with Kate Raworth
June 20, 2020 20:45 - 1 hour - 95.1 MBThis week James talks to the brilliant economist Kate Raworth. Kate will probably be best known to most listeners for her hugely influential book Doughnut Economics: Seven Ways to Think Like a 21st-Century Economist. The ideas in this book have travelled all over the world and are shaping government policy making. This is a conversation about how we can build a better future where the goal of economic activity is about meeting the needs of all within the limits of the planet. As always, ...
Climate crisis and jobs with Naomi Klein
June 11, 2020 05:30 - 50 minutes - 68.8 MBThis week James talks to the award-winning journalist and bestselling author Naomi Klein. Naomi has spent two decades documenting the transformations that take place under the cover of disaster. She has also written extensively about how tackling the climate crisis can both create jobs and make the economy much fairer and more equitable. James and Naomi started their conversation by talking about how the Covid-19 pandemic is remaking what governments and corporations see as possible. Nao...
Climate friendly recovery with Christiana Figueres
June 04, 2020 05:25 - 50 minutes - 69.3 MBWelcome to episode number two of What Comes After What Comes Next. This week I am joined by Christiana Figueres, the former head of the UN convention on climate change who spearheaded the talks that led to the historic Paris Agreement. Our conversation focused how we can rebuild from the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic to create a better, cleaner, and fairer economy. James Shaw is New Zealand's Minister for Climate Change and co-leader of the Green Party. Feel free to get in touc...
James Shaw talks with Professor Joseph Stiglitz
May 23, 2020 21:00 - 49 minutes - 68 MBWelcome to the first episode of What Comes After What Comes Next. A new podcast series from New Zealand's Minister for Climate Change and Green Party co-leader James Shaw, which explores how we can renew our economies and our societies at the same time as solving climate crisis. We are in an unprecedented moment. What we do with it will determine the quality of life for billions of people – not just for the next few months or years, but for the generations to come. This week James is join...