412: "Lives" vs. "The Economy" is a False Choice

Chris Spangle, Harry Price, Rhinehold, and Hodey Johns discuss and debate the binary choice presented on social media of "open the economy" vs. "let millions die." The realities of a global pandemic combined with an economic meltdown are more complex and hopeful than many are making it sound. We try to parse out where the truth lies. Then we look at the failure of regulators and why we need to hold the President, the FDA, and the CDC accountable once this crisis has concluded.
Video - https://youtu.be/i8ilhgwtt34
Links
WAL Coverage - https://wearelibertarians.com/tag/covid-19/
https://wearelibertarians.com/tag/covid-19-podcasts/
Scenario for Discusson - https://www.facebook.com/groups/wearelibertarians/permalink/3096320777066949/
COVID-19 Projections - https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Johns Hopkins info - https://hub.jhu.edu/novel-coronavirus-information/
Dashboard - https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
How Serious is the Coronavirus? Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm Explains - https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts
Joe Rogan Experience #1439 - Michael Osterholm - https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
Labs face challenges creating diagnosis testing for COVID-19 – www.modernhealthcare.com/technology/labs-face-challenges-creating-diagnosis-testing-covid-19
U.S. coronavirus testing stalled for six weeks. A small German lab made 1.4 million tests in that time. – www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/03/17/us-coronavirus-testing-stalled-for-six-weeks-a-small-german-lab-made-14-million-tests-in-that-time/
Analysis | South Korea’s coronavirus success story underscores how the U.S. initially failed – www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/17/south-koreas-coronavirus-success-story-underscores-how-us-initially-failed/
How this South Korean company created coronavirus test kits in three weeks - https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html
Analysis | Was the White House office for global pandemics eliminated? – www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/20/was-white-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/
Trump began to take coronavirus seriously after watching Tucker Carlson call it a “problem”: report – www.salon.com/2020/03/18/trump-began-to-take-coronavirus-seriously-after-watching-tucker-carlson-call-it-a-problem-report/
A Complete List of Trump’s Attempts to Play Down Coronavirus – www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opinion/trump-coronavirus.html
South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates are Falling – www.aier.org/article/south-korea-preseved-open-infection-rates-are-falling
U.S. intelligence reports from January and February warned about a likely pandemic – www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html
The Lost Month: How a Failure to Test Blinded the U.S. to Covid-19 – www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/testing-coronavirus-pandemic.html
We Were Warned: When the inevitable inquiry into the government’s response to COVID-19 happens, it will conclude that signs of a coming crisis were everywhere. – www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/pandemic-coronavirus-united-states-trump-cdc/608215/
The Real Reason There is a Low Supply of Surgical Masks - https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2020/03/the-real-reason-there-is-low-supply-of.html
The FDA and CDC's Coronavirus Response Is a 'Failure of Historic Proportions' - https://youtu.be/DBAMsMIqD6E
The Coronavirus Testing Debacle Stems From Decades of Bad FDA Policy - https://youtu.be/gbDnUrVvkRU
A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19 — Even in His Young Patients - https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients
Dr. Mike's YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0QHWhjbe5fGJEPz3sVb6nw
Dr. John Campbell's YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF9IOB2TExg3QIBupFtBDxg
Mercatus Data on Economy - https://www.mercatus.org/bridge/commentary/way-forward
Small Regulatory Reforms That Can Help People During the COVID Pandemic - https://www.rstreet.org/2020/03/18/small-regulatory-reforms-that-can-help-people-during-the-pandemic/
The Defense Production Act - https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/the-defense-production-act.html
Let the Markets Work - https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/let-the-markets-work.html
Why it isn't the flu - https://www.facebook.com/Channel4/videos/205350940692388/
What it is currently like in a New York hospital. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/us/brooklyn-hospital-coronavirus-patients-deaths/index.html
Coronavirus Hasn't Killed Libertarianism—It's Showed Why We Need It - https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/coronavirus-hasnt-killed-libertarianism%E2%80%94its-showed-why-we-need-it-138177
Imperial College study - https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now. -https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
The math behind quarantines - https://youtu.be/Xe8fIjxicoo and https://youtu.be/A71lfXrQlxU
Possible Good News: Fewer Fevers Reported Nationwide, Says Smart Thermometer Company - https://reason.com/2020/03/31/possible-good-news-fewer-fevers-reported-nationwide-reports-smart-thermometer-company/
A Deluged System Leaves Some Elderly to Die, Rocking Spain’s Self-Image - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/world/europe/Spain-coronavirus-nursing-homes.html
How to Avoid Another Great Recession: To limit the damage, businesses need to believe the coronavirus pandemic disruption, like a hurricane, is transitory - https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-avoid-another-great-recession-11585574692
Pastor of Tampa church that held two large Sunday services arrested, jailed. - https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/30/tampa-church-holds-packed-service-draws-warning-from-sheriffs-office/
COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) Epidemic with Dr. Forest Arnold - https://youtu.be/zFrghcp5pbY
Doctor Mike Interviews Dr. Fauci On COVID19 (Why deaths of other factors are marked as COVID deaths) - https://youtu.be/OfcJecd6jtE
Pandemic: The First Great Crisis of the Post-American Era - https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-pandemic-first-great-crisis-post-american-era/
The Coronavirus 'Plan for a Plan,'​ Plan - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/coronavirus-plan-david-l-katz-md-mph-facpm-facp-faclm/
End the Shutdown - https://mises.org/wire/end-shutdown
Laurie Garrett: What can we learn from the 1918 flu? - https://youtu.be/2lJvr5UL2pQ
Will This be the Next Great Depression? - https://youtu.be/jQ_Z-wZK5ps
How To Fix an Economic Crisis - https://youtu.be/46XGS6S9qfM
COVID-19 | Corona Virus: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Diagnostics - https://youtu.be/PWzbArPgo-o
The COVID Moment — Will Government Lockdown or Private Mitigation save the US Economy? - https://youtu.be/rZNQIS13jks
The FDA and CDC's Coronavirus Response Is a 'Failure of Historic Proportions' - https://youtu.be/DBAMsMIqD6E
Why You Can't Solve a Public Health Problem With Economic Stimulus - https://youtu.be/k02DS2EotCM
The Response To Coronavirus 'Is Central Planning on Steroids': Rep. Thomas Massie - https://youtu.be/OuERNXBeSaM
Health Care Workers Need Masks (and the Rest of Us Need Them, Too) - https://youtu.be/0pT0l7ewptI
How the Government Bungled the Coronavirus Response - https://youtu.be/XzBYJPkntsk
When It Comes to Coronavirus, Nobody Knows Anything - https://youtu.be/BCRRio17HQY
The Coronavirus Testing Debacle Stems From Decades of Bad FDA Policy - https://youtu.be/gbDnUrVvkRU
China's Censorship Helped Start a Pandemic. Can Free Speech End It? - https://youtu.be/1hR_nuUyplk
You Need To Listen To This Leading COVID-19 Expert From South Korea | ASIAN BOSS - https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU
The Great Plague (Black Death Documentary) | Timeline - https://youtu.be/HPe6BgzHWY0
1918 Spanish Flu historical documentary | Swine Flu Pandemic | Deadly plague of 1918 - https://youtu.be/UDY5COg2P2c
Doctor Fact-Checks Media On Coronavirus - https://youtu.be/5CRxyHU9Oxo
Doctor Fact-Checks Politicians On Coronavirus - https://youtu.be/nt9ldBsMggg
Doctor VS Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories - https://youtu.be/J-jkAfafm5I
We NEED More Testing Kits! | Coronavirus Front Line - https://youtu.be/DfMl6W6N7-A
Bill Gates: "This is the nightmare scenario" - https://youtu.be/UHLJ0DaMIIc

Chris Spangle, Harry Price, Rhinehold, and Hodey Johns discuss and debate the binary choice presented on social media of "open the economy" vs. "let millions die." The realities of a global pandemic combined with an economic meltdown are more complex and hopeful than many are making it sound. We try to parse out where the truth lies. Then we look at the failure of regulators and why we need to hold the President, the FDA, and the CDC accountable once this crisis has concluded.

Video - https://youtu.be/i8ilhgwtt34

Links

WAL Coverage - https://wearelibertarians.com/tag/covid-19/

https://wearelibertarians.com/tag/covid-19-podcasts/

Scenario for Discusson - https://www.facebook.com/groups/wearelibertarians/permalink/3096320777066949/

COVID-19 Projections - https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

Johns Hopkins info - https://hub.jhu.edu/novel-coronavirus-information/

Dashboard - https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

How Serious is the Coronavirus? Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm Explains - https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts

Joe Rogan Experience #1439 - Michael Osterholm - https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Labs face challenges creating diagnosis testing for COVID-19 – www.modernhealthcare.com/technology/labs-face-challenges-creating-diagnosis-testing-covid-19

U.S. coronavirus testing stalled for six weeks. A small German lab made 1.4 million tests in that time. – www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/03/17/us-coronavirus-testing-stalled-for-six-weeks-a-small-german-lab-made-14-million-tests-in-that-time/

Analysis | South Korea’s coronavirus success story underscores how the U.S. initially failed – www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/17/south-koreas-coronavirus-success-story-underscores-how-us-initially-failed/

How this South Korean company created coronavirus test kits in three weeks - https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html

Analysis | Was the White House office for global pandemics eliminated? – www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/20/was-white-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

Trump began to take coronavirus seriously after watching Tucker Carlson call it a “problem”: report – www.salon.com/2020/03/18/trump-began-to-take-coronavirus-seriously-after-watching-tucker-carlson-call-it-a-problem-report/

A Complete List of Trump’s Attempts to Play Down Coronavirus – www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opinion/trump-coronavirus.html

South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates are Falling – www.aier.org/article/south-korea-preseved-open-infection-rates-are-falling

U.S. intelligence reports from January and February warned about a likely pandemic – www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html

The Lost Month: How a Failure to Test Blinded the U.S. to Covid-19 – www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/testing-coronavirus-pandemic.html

We Were Warned: When the inevitable inquiry into the government’s response to COVID-19 happens, it will conclude that signs of a coming crisis were everywhere. – www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/pandemic-coronavirus-united-states-trump-cdc/608215/

The Real Reason There is a Low Supply of Surgical Masks - https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2020/03/the-real-reason-there-is-low-supply-of.html

The FDA and CDC's Coronavirus Response Is a 'Failure of Historic Proportions' - https://youtu.be/DBAMsMIqD6E

The Coronavirus Testing Debacle Stems From Decades of Bad FDA Policy - https://youtu.be/gbDnUrVvkRU

A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19 — Even in His Young Patients - https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

Dr. Mike's YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0QHWhjbe5fGJEPz3sVb6nw

Dr. John Campbell's YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF9IOB2TExg3QIBupFtBDxg

Mercatus Data on Economy - https://www.mercatus.org/bridge/commentary/way-forward

Small Regulatory Reforms That Can Help People During the COVID Pandemic - https://www.rstreet.org/2020/03/18/small-regulatory-reforms-that-can-help-people-during-the-pandemic/

The Defense Production Act - https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/the-defense-production-act.html

Let the Markets Work - https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/let-the-markets-work.html

Why it isn't the flu - https://www.facebook.com/Channel4/videos/205350940692388/

What it is currently like in a New York hospital. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/us/brooklyn-hospital-coronavirus-patients-deaths/index.html

Coronavirus Hasn't Killed Libertarianism—It's Showed Why We Need It - https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/coronavirus-hasnt-killed-libertarianism%E2%80%94its-showed-why-we-need-it-138177

Imperial College study - https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now. -https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

The math behind quarantines - https://youtu.be/Xe8fIjxicoo and https://youtu.be/A71lfXrQlxU

Possible Good News: Fewer Fevers Reported Nationwide, Says Smart Thermometer Company - https://reason.com/2020/03/31/possible-good-news-fewer-fevers-reported-nationwide-reports-smart-thermometer-company/

A Deluged System Leaves Some Elderly to Die, Rocking Spain’s Self-Image - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/world/europe/Spain-coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

How to Avoid Another Great Recession: To limit the damage, businesses need to believe the coronavirus pandemic disruption, like a hurricane, is transitory - https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-avoid-another-great-recession-11585574692

Pastor of Tampa church that held two large Sunday services arrested, jailed. - https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/30/tampa-church-holds-packed-service-draws-warning-from-sheriffs-office/

COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) Epidemic with Dr. Forest Arnold - https://youtu.be/zFrghcp5pbY

Doctor Mike Interviews Dr. Fauci On COVID19 (Why deaths of other factors are marked as COVID deaths) - https://youtu.be/OfcJecd6jtE

Pandemic: The First Great Crisis of the Post-American Era - https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-pandemic-first-great-crisis-post-american-era/

The Coronavirus 'Plan for a Plan,'​ Plan - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/coronavirus-plan-david-l-katz-md-mph-facpm-facp-faclm/

End the Shutdown - https://mises.org/wire/end-shutdown

Laurie Garrett: What can we learn from the 1918 flu? - https://youtu.be/2lJvr5UL2pQ

Will This be the Next Great Depression? - https://youtu.be/jQ_Z-wZK5ps

How To Fix an Economic Crisis - https://youtu.be/46XGS6S9qfM

COVID-19 | Corona Virus: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Diagnostics - https://youtu.be/PWzbArPgo-o

The COVID Moment — Will Government Lockdown or Private Mitigation save the US Economy? - https://youtu.be/rZNQIS13jks

The FDA and CDC's Coronavirus Response Is a 'Failure of Historic Proportions' - https://youtu.be/DBAMsMIqD6E

Why You Can't Solve a Public Health Problem With Economic Stimulus - https://youtu.be/k02DS2EotCM

The Response To Coronavirus 'Is Central Planning on Steroids': Rep. Thomas Massie - https://youtu.be/OuERNXBeSaM

Health Care Workers Need Masks (and the Rest of Us Need Them, Too) - https://youtu.be/0pT0l7ewptI

How the Government Bungled the Coronavirus Response - https://youtu.be/XzBYJPkntsk

When It Comes to Coronavirus, Nobody Knows Anything - https://youtu.be/BCRRio17HQY

The Coronavirus Testing Debacle Stems From Decades of Bad FDA Policy - https://youtu.be/gbDnUrVvkRU

China's Censorship Helped Start a Pandemic. Can Free Speech End It? - https://youtu.be/1hR_nuUyplk

You Need To Listen To This Leading COVID-19 Expert From South Korea | ASIAN BOSS - https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU

The Great Plague (Black Death Documentary) | Timeline - https://youtu.be/HPe6BgzHWY0

1918 Spanish Flu historical documentary | Swine Flu Pandemic | Deadly plague of 1918 - https://youtu.be/UDY5COg2P2c

Doctor Fact-Checks Media On Coronavirus - https://youtu.be/5CRxyHU9Oxo

Doctor Fact-Checks Politicians On Coronavirus - https://youtu.be/nt9ldBsMggg

Doctor VS Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories - https://youtu.be/J-jkAfafm5I

We NEED More Testing Kits! | Coronavirus Front Line - https://youtu.be/DfMl6W6N7-A

Bill Gates: "This is the nightmare scenario" - https://youtu.be/UHLJ0DaMIIc

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