A preview of Vox's Sean Illing's discussion with the author of The Sum of Us, Heather McGhee, about the costs of racism in America — for everyone.
They discuss what we all lose by buying into the zero-sum paradigm that progress for some has to come at the expense of others, and why the left needs to reframe the country's race problem and persuade the other side with a more compelling story.
Hear the entire conversation at: www.vox.com/vox-conversations-podcast.
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A preview of Vox's Sean Illing's discussion with the author of The Sum of Us, Heather McGhee, about the costs of racism in America — for everyone.

They discuss what we all lose by buying into the zero-sum paradigm that progress for some has to come at the expense of others, and why the left needs to reframe the country's race problem and persuade the other side with a more compelling story.

Hear the entire conversation at: www.vox.com/vox-conversations-podcast.

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