53 - Matt McManus, Ben Burgis and Marion Trejo - Jordan Peterson: The Man and his Myths

Together with Conrad Hamilton, Matt, Ben and Marion are the authors of Myth and Mayhem: A Leftist Critique of Jordan Peterson, with an introduction by Slavoj Zizek (2020):
https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Mayhem-Leftist-Critique-Peterson-ebook/dp/B085WB8FXF

More about Marion:
http://itesm.academia.edu/MarionTrejo/CurriculumVitae

More about Ben:
Ben’s book Give Them an Argument: Logic for the Left (2019):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Give-Them-Argument-Logic-Left/dp/1789042100

Ben’s segment on the Michael Brooks show:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNucPQW8aGvIq7dazojH0ykvk88RkfjoW

Ben’s writing for Arc Digital: https://arcdigital.media/@benburgis

Ben’s writing for Jacobin: https://jacobinmag.com/author/ben-burgis

Review of Give Them an Argument in Areo:
https://areomagazine.com/2019/05/08/give-them-an-argument-logic-for-the-left-book-review/

Write to Ben: https://letter.wiki/BenjaminBurgis/conversations

Follow Ben on Twitter: @BenBurgis

More about Matt:
Matt’s book The Rise of Post-Modern Conservatism: Neoliberalism, Post-Modern Culture, and Reactionary Politics (2019):
https://www.palgrave.com/gp/book/9783030246815

Making Human Dignity Central to International Human Rights Law: A Critical Legal Argument (2019):
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/M/bo50460306.html

Matt’s writing for Areo magazine can be found here:
https://areomagazine.com/author/mattmcmanus303/

Review of Postmodern Conservatism in Areo:
https://areomagazine.com/2019/12/20/a-peculiar-phenomenon-review-of-the-rise-of-post-modern-conservatism-by-matthew-mcmanus/

Write to Matt: https://letter.wiki/MatthewMcManus/conversations

Follow Matt on Twitter: @MattPolProf

Further Notes
The previous episode with Ben Burgis and Jon Rosen, on Free Will and Moral Responsibility:
https://soundcloud.com/user-761174326/41-jon-rosen-and-ben-burgis
Jordan Peterson, 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos (2018)
Jordan Peterson, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief (1999)

Slavoj Zizek’s debate with Peterson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWndfzuOc4

Peterson’s interview with the Grievance Studies hoaxers, which includes Helen Pluckrose’s pushback against the concept of postmodern neo-Marxism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWhuQOVTFGw

Johann Hari, Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression -
And the Unexpected Solution (2018)

Erich Fromm, The Art of Loving (1956)

John Rawles, Justice as Fairness: Political not Metaphysical (1985)

George Eliot, Middlemarch: A Study of Provincial Life (1871–82)

Jordan Peterson’s interview on Sam Harris’ Making Sense podcast:
https://samharris.org/podcasts/what-is-true/

Maarten Boudry’s letter exchange with Peter Boghossian on belief:
https://letter.wiki/conversation/22
My article on that exchange, for Areo:
https://areomagazine.com/2019/08/18/can-we-make-ourselves-believe-a-letter-exchange/

Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (1978)
Richard Rorty:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rorty/

Keith Thomas, Religion and the Decline of Magic. Studies in Popular Beliefs in
Mark Fisher, “Exiting the Vampire Castle” (2013):
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/exiting-vampire-castle/

Democratic Socialists of America, Fox news clip from 2019:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-socialists-convention-erupts-due-to-sensory-overload-gendered-pronoun-usage

Contrapoints (Natalie Wynn)’s video on cancelling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8

Timestamps

4:53 Slavoj Zizek
6:45 12 Rules of Life: self-help and politics
28:27 Capitalism
41:46 Jungian archetypes: chaos and order
42:59 Chaos and the feminine
52:37 The West
54:54 His critiques of woke excesses at university
1:05:02 “Postmodern neo-Marxism”
1:17:36 Peterson’s own postmodernism
1:21:21 Peterson’s concept of truth
1:35:47 The desacralisation of the world
1:41:52 Ben’s new book advocating for a more compassionate left
1:48:28 Taking Peterson seriously