Thunderwolf Podcast
57 episodes - English - Latest episode: almost 4 years ago - ★★★★★ - 14 ratingsThunderwolf Podcast: a talk show, a question show, sometimes an interview show, a show for the people.
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S2 Ep014 "The Hunt For Red Producer"
May 19, 2020 15:00 - 21 minutes - 49.1 MBPaige is in town! We have a short, but important, fireside chat with you, our beloved listeners, about the immediate future and direction of our show. Message us with questions, comments, and concerns. Thank you all!! aaWoo
S2 Ep013 "Check Up, Check in, Check Please Mr. Trump."
May 05, 2020 14:00 - 1 hour - 162 MBA nice follow up episode on what we're doing in quarantine! Also, featuring a post i made on Facebook about parents and what they are teaching their children about covid19! Easy listening, and fun for us to make! Enjoy aaWoo
S2 Ep012 "Death, and Death Positivity" with Abby Neace
April 21, 2020 17:00 - 57 minutes - 131 MBOur good friend, and Paige's roommate, Abby Neace, is in Indy for a funeral. She got with me and Paige to record this episode about death during covid19, and rituals of death here, and elsewhere in the world- specifically the Ma'Nene ritual found in Indonesia of the Torajan people. Links for episode: •https://culturacolectiva.com/history/manene-death-ritual-indonesia •https://allthatsinteresting.com/toraja-death-ritual Jacob's Stream: •https://www.twitch.tv/revlawl Help support the sh...
S2 Ep011 "Changes In The Air"
April 08, 2020 17:00 - 29 minutes - 66.9 MBHey! so in this episode, Jacob and Paige wanted to thank or listeners, and also let you all know our plans for right now and the future! More of a heart-to-heart, or a fireside chat feel. Enjoy, and aaWoo
S2 Ep010 "Interview With The Jacob"
March 31, 2020 14:00 - 1 hour - 153 MBRuntime: 67 minutes Interviews are great. Jacob did Paige and now in this episode, Paige is doing Jacob. Who the hell is that vault guy, and why is he so secretive? Can we get to the bottom of this? Probably not, so listen and see for yourself! TW Updates about what we're doing during quarantine, and then we break into the interview. How absolutely fun! Support the show by going to teespring.com/stores/thunderwolf podcast and get yourself looking hot af, even if just for your own mirror.
S2 Ep009 What Are You Doing In QuaaWooantine?
March 24, 2020 15:00 - 31 minutes - 71.7 MBEach episode leading up to this has talked about Corona and the stats and effects. This one is light, and we're talking about what we are doing in quarantine. We also know no driving to and from work, so we'll bring you some shorter episodes during all this. 30 minutes of TW. How fun! What are YOU doing??? We want to know. Send us pictures on Instagram, on Facebook, in text - whatever! We want to know how you're keeping sane inside. Stories, photos, tags, whatever! just tag jcsurber, smithp...
TW S2 Ep008 "Information Plantation" Part 1 of 2
March 17, 2020 11:42 - 1 hour - 138 MBQuarantine: In. Paige: Not here. Intelligence Consultant and Graphic Designer friends: In. I know you're isolated and hunkered down in your house too. Waiting for this Covid19 stuff to blow over. Well, honey, it's here for a bit mmhmm sugar. Join TW with Wes Byrd and Alex Noonan in this informative and charming episode. Tw Updates: •Kojima's new project of the scariest horror game!!!! •Covid19 newest information ( i know some of you are sick of it but) Then we get into the main topic of...
TW S2 Ep008 "Information Plantation" Part 2 of 2
March 17, 2020 11:42 - 1 hour - 143 MBThe continuation of the conversation about information and technology, and how they are used against you, or rather, used for the benefit of profiteering companies. OOH you are worth more than gold! Thanks for listening! aaWoo
TWS2 Ep007 "Missed Opportunity for a James Bond Joke"
March 10, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 168 MBWe started off in a bit of a mood. Not with each other, but with the world. By the end we're joking and laughing quite a bit! This episode starts a bit darker with an update about a serial killer, but finishes nicely with oysters. TW Updates: •Woman Befriends Mother's Serial Killer •Indiana Coronavirus •Circus Song? And: •Origins of Popular Phrases thanks for listening and supporting the show! aaWoo
TWS2 Ep006 "Inside the Thunderwolf Studio: Getting To Know Paige Smith, Part 1"
March 03, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 182 MBSo Paige has been here for a few episodes, but who is she really? This episode serves to explain a bit more when we Softball Question, into Rapid Fire, and then into Deep Diving questions that Paige had no idea were coming her way. A fun, and informative glance into the life and times of a Miss Paige E. Smith. TW Updates: •Covid19 News •Nintendo Customer Service •Mayor Pete's 2020 Election Status •Passing of James Lipton Enjoy, and as always aaWoo Head to https://teespring.com/sto...
TWS2 Ep005 "Very Superstitious...Everywhere. Why."
February 25, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 143 MBSuperstitions are everywhere! I had to stop writing this and come back because an owl brought me 12 white field mice, knocked over my table of 2 drinks (bad luck) and advised me to gaze at the stars for guidance. Oh the horror. Base episode for more superstitions to come! TW updates: •Quaden Bayles •Friends Reunion •Royal Split (Ew gross) Enjoy, and as always, aaWoo! Support the show and what we do by going to teespring.com/stores/thunderwolfpodcast and get yourself looking all ferocio...
TWS2 Ep004 "They Aint No Sins, Baby. Do You."
February 18, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 148 MBThe 7 Deadly Sins. Biblical right? *insert Donald Trump "wrong" meme* This episode we are lunging in sin and talking about the 7 big ones, what they are, and what we think of them! TW Updates: •Corona Virus: Where are we currently? •Video Game Companies and Exercise, •My Truth: The Rape of 2 Correys aaWoo Help support the show by buying from our merch site! (https://teespring.com/stores/thunderwolfpodcast) Follow us on: •FB- https://www.facebook.com/Thunderwolfpodcast/ •IG- https://www.i...
TWS2 E003 "Intelligence vs. Attractiveness"- 'Are You Going To Keep Interrupting Me?'
February 12, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 152 MBThunderwolf takes a stab at defining "intelligence" and "attractiveness" in this episode! And which we would rather be. And which we would rather our mates be. Where do you sit on the line? Thunderwolf Updates: Oscars, Yang Gang, and Broom Challenge Support the show by going to teespring.com/stores/thunderwolfpodcast and get some sweet swag. New designs available too!! aaWoo
TW Quick announcement for this week release!
February 11, 2020 10:00 - 27 seconds - 271 KBWe know the sound can be better, and we’re getting upgrades soon!
TW S2 Ep002 "The Second Episode, Thank You Berry Much"
February 04, 2020 10:00 - 56 minutes - 129 MBThe second episode is here, Wolvies! The train is beginning to roll, and pick up speed! In this episode, Jacob and Paige talk TW Updates: Superbowl, Coronavirus, Warcaft 3: Reforged, and 330 Million YO Shark Then, we get into the meat of the episode.....what the hell is a berry? We found this extremely fascinating, and hope you do too! Enjoy, and as always, aaWoo! Support the show and what we do by going to teespring.com/stores/thunderwolfpodcast and get yourself looking all ferocious t...
TWS2 New Season, Who Dis?
January 28, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 33.8 MBThunderwolf Podcast is back! It's so good to be back too. And as 2020 is giving plenty to already talk about, we gotta catch up quickly! Proud and excited to introduce a new cohost, Paige Smith to the show! This episode we get back in the swing of things, and talk about New Year's Resolutions, Kobe Bryant's untimely death, and the Wuhan Coronavirus. Thanks for coming back, for listening for the first time, for being a reason why we do this! Head to teesping.com/stores/thunderwolfpodcas...
TW 040 Happy Holidays & Merry Christmas Eve!!!! **Season 1 Finale**
December 24, 2019 21:43 - 57 minutes - 79 MBHoly God...40 episodes already?! We started with an idea- make a podcast. We got the equipment, the name, the art, and then we started. Shane Jones and Jacob Surber. Making a podcast. We didn't even know each other to start, but in this year, we have become friends, and podcasters! Doing it! and 40 episodes down... And this episode serves as a huge milestone. Join Thunderwolf Podcast as we do our thing and have fun for ourselves and our listeners, while also serving as the final episode of ...
TW Ep 039 Gettin' To Know with Justin Kelly from Juice in the Morning
December 19, 2019 15:00 - 1 hour - 153 MBShane is in Texas for holiday, and Jacob is alone in his apartment. But Good Friend Justin Kelly from Juice in the morning came over to Jacob's apartment to the living room studio to chit chat and do an episode! We have some light hearted talk about podcasting, some TW Updates, some talk on Justin's stand up comedy following last week's episode with comedian and producer Lexy Madrid, and we even get into some depth about motivations and what has lead us to where we are today! Little bit lo...
TW Ep 038 What Is Comedy? with Lexy Madrid and Paige Smith
December 10, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 85.5 MBThis episode is a bit different. A bit of a seasonal spices blend. What is comedy? It's a broad question and difficult to master. But sure as shit, Thunderwolf Podcast delivers the goods and we work to tackle comedy through comedian and producer Lexy Madrid's personal experience and work in the Comedy Entertainment Industry. A great first episode with Lexy, and a special thank you to Paige Smith for sitting in to help host the 38th episode of Thunderwolf Podcast! Follow Lexy Madrid on socia...
TW Ep 037 Empty Blathering
December 03, 2019 17:19 - 47 minutes - 65.2 MBThanksgiving came and went. Next comes Christmas. Join Thunderwolf today as Jacob and Shane pull out hollow talking points and bullshit for like 45 minutes. Can they keep your attention with this empty bell of an episode? Who knows. You tell us.
TW Ep 036 Red for Ed with Emma Korkhouse
November 26, 2019 10:18 - 1 hour - 129 MBRed for Ed is a growing movement taking hold in our nation to support teachers and schools. Emma Korkhouse, a friend and teacher, joins us on this episode to discuss Red for Ed and encourage people to start the conversation for our future.
TW Ep 035 WTF is CBD with Dustin Ward
November 19, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 138 MBCBD is everywhere these days- buy it online, from smokeshops, available in herbal remedy shops, and gas stations... but what is CBD? And are all of these products the same? TW sits today with Dustin Ward from MyDailyChoice/HempWorx and finds out what CBD is, what CBD does, and why maybe you should choose to use CBD! Like what you're hearing? Want to hear more? Head over to teespring.com/aaWoo and check out all our Thunderwolf products available! Enjoy, aaWoo ** Earnings Disclaimer: Th...
TW Ep 034 How about a chill day with Kalvin Miller?!
November 12, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 109 MBLast week's episode we had Steven L. with an exclusive story about Natalia, the 22 year old who was adopted as a 6 year old in Indiana. This week, we're taking a stroll through Chillville with our friend Kalvin Miller. He joins us to talk about Jeffrey Epstein, who did not kill himself, and McKamey Manor, the twisted torture house that people WILLINGLY SIGN UP TO GO TO. A comfortably fun episode to listen to in this chilly November. We love what we do to make these episodes each week! If...
EXCLUSIVE TW Ep 033 Real Life Updates on the "Real Life Orphan" Story with Steven L.
November 05, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 96.4 MBAt the end of September, a story came out about a young Ukranian girl who was adopted at the age of 6 but in all actuality was a 22 year old pretending to be a little girl. The family she lived with was arrested for child abandonment after leaving Natalia behind and moving to Canada. The story was vague, confusing, and strange. An online friend of Jacob's reached out after this story broke and told him that he KNOWS Natalia, and has more information than what the media lead on... We sat wit...
TW Ep 032 Back in the Sparebedroom Again
October 29, 2019 08:00 - 57 minutes - 78.6 MBAfter an exciting time out to the Juggalo's Halloween party (shout out to Mark and Kenzie!!), we are back in the Sparebedroom again. Today's episode: Thunderwolf Updates Nice Guys Actors If you like and want to support our show, head to teespring.com/aawoo and buy everything we sell Enjoy the episode aaWoo
TW Ep 031 Halloween 2019 Party At the Juggalo's
October 22, 2019 08:00 - 1 hour - 82.8 MBWas it the Juggalo bit that got you? Because it was the Juggalo bit that got us too. So Thunderwolf did what Thunderwolf does, and we showed up to the Juggalo's Garage for a Halloween Party of 2019. Join us in this weird experimental episode where we are satellite with Mark Fultz, Jesse Riddle, and some new guests of the evening! Like the show and want to support us? Organs sell on the black market! Or, head over to teespring.com/aaWoo and get yourself looking good with some Thunderwolf T...
TW Ep 030 Updates, BMV, and Parenting (Featuring June!!!!!!!! at the end )
October 15, 2019 08:00 - 1 hour - 101 MBToday's Thunderwolf Episode has energy, has vibrancy, and grit. True Grit. And its in 32 grit sandpaper form. But in the good polishing way. Like an aspirin and a margarita is to your liver. Delicious. We talk about Thunderwolf Updates, we talk about a bad day at Walmart, and how people don't really read what's there. Enjoy this fun episode where magic and equine come together in harmony. aaWoo Show your support of the show by going to Facebook: Thunderwolf Podcast, and check out te...
TW Ep 029 The Last Temptation of the Avengers
October 08, 2019 09:00 - 1 hour - 126 MBHEY HEY HEY WHATS UP BITCONNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECT Jacob and Shane are united again! Game Master Kork (ep 16) is back and we talk about Scorsese's recent comment about Marvel movies, the new Joker Movie, Beard Culture, the Ukranian girl story, about how people text vs how they speak and MOAH. Enjoy this episode please and thank you and please and thank you and please and thank you but no begging. Like the show? Want to support us, but the government has already taken all your money? H...
TW Ep 028 Jacob's MIA (Shane and Justin from Juice in the Morning Save the Day)
October 01, 2019 09:00 - 1 hour - 100 MBJacob was out of town doing drugs and hookers for the weekend, so Shane had to be the responsible one. Justin Kelly from Juice in the Morning came to help. He used Jacob's microphone. That son of a... Really funny episode! Check it out! Don't turn this off just because Jacob is gone. I mean for God's sake, the guy is a prick and a half anyway. Once you're done with this episode of Thunderwolf, go listen to Juice in the Morning! (Thanks for helping Justin!) Help support the show by giving ...
TW Ep 027 September's Almost Gone
September 24, 2019 09:00 - 1 hour - 107 MBWhere has time gone?! September's almost over already. Jacob just got back from his trip to Nashville with his band The Tribes- we talk about that. Shane and Jacob hung out last night at Jacob's apartment for a birthday celebration- we talk about that. We have your Thunderwolf Updates and everything. Show your support for the show by getting yourself looking great by going to teespring.com/aaWoo and buying everything Enjoy
TW Ep 026 Comedy's A Knockin'
September 17, 2019 09:00 - 1 hour - 96.1 MBDave Chappelle released Sticks and Stones. Bill Burr a few days later released Paper Tiger. Jacob and Shane watched both back to back before recording this episode. Some of the jokes today are a bit more pointed, raunchy, vulgar- easy to say the Thunderwolf Guys are a bit impressionable... They actually have Thunderwolf Updates today. Shout out to Shane. Lol. Then they spend some time talking about what comedy means to them, how they deal with the world, and what they like to see in enterta...
TW Ep 025 Tattoos At Work/You Wanted To!
September 10, 2019 09:00 - 1 hour - 95.1 MBWe put a poll out on our Thunderwolf Podcast Facebook page- "Should people with tattoos be allowed to show them at work?" We had a pretty great reception with 200 people voting. Overwhelmingly, YES was the chosen answer to the poll. This episode, we talk a lot about tattoos in the work place, virtue signalling, and challenging yourself of your own beliefs. Don't miss this reasonably lengthed episode of Thunderwolf Podcast! Get yourself some Thunderwolf merch at teespring.com/aawoo and s...
TW Ep 024 Fireside Chat with Thunderwolf Podcast
September 02, 2019 09:00 - 28 minutes - 38.6 MBThis episode we wanted to reach out to YOU, our listeners, directly. We want to keep this show fun, interesting, and entertaining. We want your help! If you know of cool people, cool stories, and/or want to be on yourself, send us a message! We love feedback, and want to work with you all on making Thunderwolf Podcast the best podcast around. This one's a quick, honest message. New merch sales page too! teespring.com/stores/thunderwolfpodcast for the whole store and all the options, bu...
Episode Collaboration: Whiskey Wolf
August 27, 2019 09:00 - 1 hour - 96.7 MBToday's episode is a little different. Today, Jacob and Shane of Thunderwolf join forces with Ben Zirkle and Alex Fada of Whiskey Wagers to do a collaboration episode! This is neither a Thunderwolf nor a Whiskey Wagers episode, but a Whiskey Wolf episode, first of its name. Join us as we discuss all kinds of things like sports, religion, guns, podcasting, having sex with teachers, chicken sandwiches, and God knows what else. This was an unprecedented new format and one that we hope to repea...
TW Ep 023 The "Short Show" Is A Lie
August 20, 2019 16:16 - 1 hour - 80.1 MBJacob and Shane sit to record a "short show." It was intended to be a short show. Updates, and fitness, right? That's it. Well, as per usual, they end up spiraling into a long show. But a fun one! This episode we talk about noisy neighbors, music we liked as kids, the Thunderwolf Facebook polls we've been doing, and then FINALLY fitness talk about the gym, bro bro. Bro, bro! Bro. Buy our merch on teespring.com/stores/thunderwolfpodcast Check this one out and enjoy! aaWoo
TW Ep 022 Occam's Rusted Razor (Talks of Epstein)
August 13, 2019 09:00 - 2 hours - 126 MBDid you know Tool is on Spotify now?! This episode Thunderwolf brings you Thunderwolf Updates, a future recurring segment. Also, we talk about ideas older people taught us when we were kids but things didn't take hold until we were older. We also get deep into philosophy of anti-nihilism, and we discuss the recent Jeffrey Epstein "suicide" and the muck of sin that he helped bring in to the world. Do yourself a favor and order a Thunderwolf Tshirt, a hoodie, a tapestry, a poster...anythin...
TW Ep 021 Change Is Coming, with Ian Pomfret
August 06, 2019 09:00 - 1 hour - 89.2 MBFriend of the show Ian Pomfret joins us again to talk about some all over the baord topics, that do get serious at the end. We start with a conversation about poker and learning that Ian is a shark. We also discuss strip clubs, swingers, and the serious: the recent insurgence of shooters in the US. We also announce our separation from Magic Squirrel Network, and release our new store to help support the show at teespring.com/stores/thunderwolfpodcast Enjoy aaWoo
TW Ep 020 4th Is The New 1st, with Garret Owens
July 30, 2019 09:00 - 2 hours - 112 MBYesterday Jacob went on a canoe trip with his good buddy Garret, and group. Yesterday, Jacob got ran over by a canoe. This episode we talk with Garret Owens about the canoe trip 2019, simulation theory, global warming, green wokeism, and more. More being online competitions that don't communicate their rules effectively causing unnecessary frustrations. Listen, share, enjoy. aaWoo
TW Ep 019 Maximum Leverage, ft Kalvin Miller (The Birth Mother)
July 23, 2019 09:00 - 1 hour - 101 MBThis episode is a little different from what we've been doing the last few weeks. We wanted to keep some seriousness, but add some more ridiculousness too. We achieved that and then some. Listen to TW Ep 019 and enjoy the insanity that emerges. This whole episode feels like a fever dream of some neurotic psychopaths, annoyances of the world, and a really happy-go-lucky guy, and recurring guest and friend of the show Kalvin Miller, as we discuss outrage marketing, "fiction not fake," bathroom...
TW Ep 018 Naruto Run on Area 51
July 16, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 76.4 MBSeptember 20th, 2019: Naruto Run on Area 51, an event sweeping the meme game. Thunderwolf talks about this event coming up, and also Bagel Boss Battle, and new phones and technology. This was a fun episode of speculation and chatting about world events. Thunderwolf gear available on teespring.com/thunderwolfpod Buy it, wear it, and rep your Thunderwolf howl Enjoy! aaWoo
TW Ep 017 Expectations^³
July 09, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 64.7 MBToday's episode is pretty deep. We talk about social expectations, genders, sex, normality, and a bit about feminism. Don't worry, we're not mansplaining. We have some help from a friend of Shane's- Taylor Walt, a female, who wrote us in a really great letter of expectations and femininity. Check out this CONTROVERSIAL episode of Thunderwolf and let us know what you think. Find us on Facebook at Thunderwolf Podcast, and on Instagram at Thunderwolf_Podcast and then buy our stuff so we don'...
TW Ep 016 Nerd Alert with Game Master Korkhouse
July 02, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 83.2 MBJacob has finally moved to Indy. We wanted to relax and talk about some fun things today. Today, Jacob and Josh share how they met. Then we get into video games, spooky stories, silly news stuff and more! Check out this fun and down to earth conversation. Then, go get yourself a Thunderwolf t-shirt, a hoodie, or any of the other things available on teespring.com/thunderwolfpod Rep it with pride aaWoo
TW Ep 015 "Green Thumb Bang Bang with Kade Koger"
June 25, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 104 MBAfter having talked about the impact this crazy weather has had on the farming community, and we everyone else should be concerned, we asked Kade Koger of L and K Farm to come chat with us and teach us about agriculture. We discuss farming in 2019, the crop fails, what to look for in the future with YOUR PRICES at the store. We also talk Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and gun ownership in the modern day. A really fun episode to have made, and we hope you enjoy it too. Get your own Thunderwolf threa...
TW Ep 014 "Before the Cotton Runs Out"
June 11, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 59.2 MBJacob and Shane decide to talk about Shane's float trip, Jacob's moving, and horror films. And maybe for the first time, Thunderwolf talks about all the things promised. An EXCITING episode with GREAT stories. Check it out! Buy yourself a Thunderwolf shirt before the cotton runs out! Available on https://teespring.com/thunderwolfpod aaWoo
TW Ep 013 "The Buttholes from Hell"
June 04, 2019 12:49 - 2 hours - 114 MBThe guys sit down with Mark Fultz (creator of the Thunderwolf cover art) and Jesse Riddle.
TW Ep 012 "Ian Pomfret, The Kickass French Fry"
May 28, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 83 MBShane is not dead. Someone LIED to Jacob about that. Today's show Ian Pomfret joins us in the Sparebedroom Studio and we talk about MMA, Perspectives, Things Thunderwolf Doesn't Care About, and more. We are trying to save America one podcast at a time. aaWoo Get yourself a Thunderwolf tshirt, a hoodie, a pillow, and more! All available on teespring.com/thunderwolfpod
TW Ep 011 "Shane is Smoldering"
May 21, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 68.2 MBSpecial episode with Jacob and Kalvin hosting! News regarding Shane is in the intro... Today we talk about social media influence in several stories and events (including ROUGH AF speculation about the James Charles fiasco) happening in our world currently. We also talk about potato farming. Check out this new episode and get at us! aaWoo Facebook: Thunder Podcast Instagram: Thunderwolf_Podcast Twitter: ThunderwolfPod T-Shirts, Hoodies, Tanks, etc: teespring.com/thunderwolfpod
TW Ep 010 "Millennials Suck"
May 14, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 62.8 MBOn this episode, Thunderwolf discusses the "actual" date ranges of generations (gen x, gen z, etc) so tell your Baby Boomer friends who always get this wrong. Thunderwolf also gets into horoscopes, and Margaritas Burns....have you heard of that? We hope you love it. aaWoo
TW Ep 009 "Taking It Easy"
May 07, 2019 04:05 - 1 hour - 76.9 MBSometimes descriptions are really hard. So instead: I’m drinking strawberry margaritas and smoking American Spirit cigarettes. I’m hanging with some friends, playing poker, and listening to music. This episode is pretty solid. We get into some cool talks about personal space and autonomy of saying yes or no to being hugged, and some other things going on in the world. (wow, how ambiguous, but that’s okay) Do you like margaritas too? Have a listen, let us know what you think. aaWoo
TW Ep 008 “Just Us”
April 30, 2019 04:00 - 1 hour - 74.5 MBJacob & Shane talk today about seeing Avengers: Endgame (no spoilers), our speculations of Game of Thrones & who’s gonna die on 4.28, Fake News, & an actually wholesome conversation about growing up & changing ways.