69//How Highly Ambitious Women Can Deal with Burn Out with Reena Vokoum

Reena Vokoun, Founder and CEO of Passion Fit, is a best-selling and award-winning author, TEDx speaker, media spokesperson, certified health and wellness expert, personal and professional development coach and consultant, content creator and marketer.

She graduated with a BBA in Marketing and Management from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and an MS in Advertising and Communications from Boston University. She spent years in marketing, sales and business development leadership roles for Google, Yahoo, Reebok, CNET, GE and Grokker.

 

Today, she serves companies, nonprofits, universities, schools and the media through Passion Fit products, services and content focused on fitness, nutrition, mindfulness, productivity and work life balance.

 

Reena is featured as a TV health contributor on NBC and FOX, has been featured in Health and Women's Health magazines, speaks to companies such as Microsoft, Google and Amazon, is a newspaper health columnist and writes for Thrive Global, Shape, Working Mother and her own blog. She's also published her first nonfiction book, entitled, The Wellness-Empowered Woman™, which is an Amazon best-seller and a Mom's Choice Award gold winner.

 

She’s on the Entrepreneurship Advisory Board for the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Alumni Council for Boston University and has been a Women in Management Facilitator for Stanford University. She was also nominated to be a candidate for Woman of the Year Silicon Valley, where she fundraised for blood cancer research for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society.

 

Reena is a wife, mom and first-generation-born Indian-American and lives in San Diego with her family.

 

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What we discuss in the podcast:

What can cause burnout and what are the signs?

Is work-life balance realistic and how can you define it for yourself?

What does holistic wellness look like and why is it so important?

How can you achieve personal and professional success through wellness?

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AUDIO TRANSCRIPTION

 

(00:00):

All right. You guys welcome to today's podcast. We have Rena Vocon on with us and we're gonna be talking about burnout. We're gonna be talking about balancing life with work career and all of those different things. So welcome.

(00:15):

Thank you Shannon, for having me. I'm excited to talk with you today.

(00:19):

Yeah. So let's just start in and give everybody a little bit about your background. You are what you do, what you specialize in.

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Absolutely. Yeah. So my name is Rena vaon and I'm the founder and CEO of a health and wellness company based in San Diego called passion fit. And the mission of my company is to empower women to flourish, both and professionally through wellness. I focus on holistic wellness, which includes fitness, nutrition, mindfulness, and work life balance. And after many years, about a 16, 17 year career in corporate America having worked for big tech companies, including Google most recently after experiencing burnout, you know, being a mom of two kids being a dual career couple with my husband who also has worked in tech and still does I made the leap. It was definitely a daunting leap at the time, but made the leap to try to help and empower other women who might also be struggling with burnout or work life balance who may also be mothers like myself. And I'm just seven years later. I'm so glad that I made the leap because I really feel like I'm able to help other women and make an impact. And I'm just so grateful that I'm able to do what I love.

(01:30):

Yeah. And so before we hit record, we were talking a little bit about your history and leaving corporate America and all of the things. So you mentioned that both you and your husband at the time, and you said seven years ago, is that right?

(01:47):

Yeah. I left Google seven years ago to start passion bit.

(01:51):

Okay. So you guys were experiencing burnout. What did that look like for you?

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Yeah, you know, I, I talk a lot about it in my new book called the wellness empowered woman. That's my opening chapter. And, you know, I just, I, I went through this period of, excuse me, I have allergies this time of year. It's not COVID, but if I cough, I apologize. I, I just found that it was hard to keep up with the daily expectations of me at work and at home. I, by nature, I'm a perfectionist, I'm a type a personality, I should say. I'm a recovering, trying to move past that. But during that time, I just felt like I was letting myself down. I was letting my family down my employer down and I just felt exhausted. I couldn't sleep. I wasn't eating well. I wasn't making time to exercise, which is something that I loved to do. And so then I, I just knew through that experience that something needed to change. And my husband had his own experiences with health issues. And so when you've got two of us, you know, burning the midnight oil in that daily grind of work and trying to balance our household and our kids, and we're both not feeling well. And we most importantly have two young kids to take care of. That's when you really kind of have to take a look at your daily life and your priorities and, and consider making changes. And that's what happened for me.

(03:14):

Yeah. And what was that kind of tipping point for you to, to realize, Hey, I needed to make this change and you know, I'm going to take that leap.

(03:25):

Yeah. So it took me a couple of years, but for me the tipping point, there were kind of two events that occurred during that year when I made the change. Finally, one was the loss of my grandfather. He's my maternal grandfather. He was my last living grandparent and excuse me, he passed away from heart disease and he, and it was actually on my birthday that he passed away. So that was just, you know, very, yeah, shocking and heartbreaking. And he, I was very close with him. He was actually one of my biggest champions of my passions for health and wellness. And he always had encouraged me to pursue a career in it, even when I was in the midst of my corporate career. So that's where it was staring me in the face. Right? Like you just, everything comes to a halt and you realize what matters and you know, the legacy you wanna leave behind your loved ones, how precious life is, how short life is.

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So that was definitely a very pivotal moment in losing him. And then also at work, you know, we were going through another reorg of our department and I, excuse me had been managing, you know accounts and, and client related on the west coast. But because of this reorg, my responsibilities were gonna turn national and I was gonna be responsible for clients in the publishing and entertainment industries across the country. And I just knew with everything going on with losing my grandfather, with my kids, with you know, the burnout and excuse me, and everything else that, you know, what, I, I don't think that this is gonna be sustainable or feasible. And so in that moment, I also knew, I don't think I can keep going. And it was a hard decision because I loved my job at Google. Yeah. I had a wonderful team a wonderful boss and management team, and it was hard to walk away from that, but everybody was very understanding. I think anybody who knows me knows that I'm passionate about health, health, and wellness. So when I told them what I wanted to do, it was no surprise. They, they said, of course, that's what you would do next. Like, it makes sense and we totally support you and you should go on and do it. So getting that support from work and from my family really helped, but it was a hard decision for sure. And there was just so much else happening in my life at that time.

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Yeah. What did that conversation look like with your husband when he, when you first brought it up and you started going with the idea, was he like totally on board and like, yeah, let's do it. Or was he like, oh no, ,

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You know, he's, he's always been very supportive of what I wanna do. I mean, he really does believe in me again, knowing me so well, he probably knows me better than anybody, right. At this point we've been together for 20 years, married for 18. And so the health and wellness piece was something that he knew I was always passionate about. And when I told him, you know, that I had this idea, you know, he's, you know, obviously the, the husband and him was very supportive. The business part and the practical side of him was, you know, let's, let's look at a business plan. You know, my, my dad said the same thing, like before you make this leap, like really think through what your business is gonna look like, how you're going to do this, what is your business plan and revenue model gonna look like and all of that. So, yes. And I naturally would not just make a leap like that without having thought it through. So I think that was really just the only feedback of just think through, make sure this is what you wanna do. I'm here for you. I support you. I love you. And if this is gonna make you happy and if this is gonna also help us better balance our family let's do it. So, yeah. Yeah.

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I think, and my husband is probably very similar to that where he's super supportive of. Yeah. If you feel like that's right. Thing to do great, but then there's the like, oh my gosh, we're, we're walking away taking a risk from a yearly salary, or we're, we're taking this risk, not only losing this yearly salary, but then having to invest in the business. And we don't know, I mean, predict, we can do whatever we can to predict when that ROI is gonna come in. Mm-Hmm but , there's still that risk. So for you, how did you manage the fear, the risk, the insecurity, you know, whatever those feelings, how did you manage that? Yeah. And how did that push you into becoming as successful as are?

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Yeah, I mean, it, it was hard and it was something that I tried to plan in advance. So I think as I mentioned, it took me two years to leave Google and to make this shift. And so during that time, I was always thinking about how this business would run, what the, excuse me, the offerings would look like. You know, built a business plan. I saved, you know, all of my bonuses from, you know, my sales and business development role. I was saving for, you know, a couple of years to kind of build up, to have that, to invest in the business. And just, you know, really started launching certain things on the side just to kind of see, excuse me, and test the market a little bit. So I, you know, started a YouTube channel. I started blogging and started doing things that didn't take any initial investment, but that allowed me to start kind of pouring in my, my creativity and my passions into developing content and seeing if there was a need for it in the market.

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You know, it was a really good opportunity to kind of test out the idea while I was still working for Google before I made that leap. So for any women out there that are wanting to make a change, don't feel like it has to be this like, you know, very drastic situation. You can start to think about it and plan while you're still in your current role and make the, when you feel ready and comfortable to do so. You know, it, it can, it doesn't have to be just an on and off switch. It can be a process and a gradual one, and you can save, you can plan, you can talk to your loved ones financially about what's gonna make the most sense so that it is something that can be realistic and that doesn't feel like such a huge, huge loss, especially financially.

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Yeah, I totally did the opposite.

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That's OK. Everybody has their own way to do it, right?

(10:07):

Yes. Well, and I wish I would've done it a little bit more like, so I was a stay at home mom. So I had like no income quote unquote to, for myself. Right. We had family money and my husband has a great job. He's always taking care of us. He provided for us. And so it was more of like, this is something that I know I need to do. And I was like, I left corporate America, like 20 to have babies, like . So I did have a lot of professional background or anything like that. And so I just went in, I paid $10,000 to hire a business coach. And I was like, teach me all of the things . And you know, thankfully for me, that was really hard and really scary. And I remember I did it. And then I was like, oh my gosh, $10,000. Like, like you know, I was like, how am I gonna do this? And how am I gonna work on this and sustain this? And, you know, when am I gonna see that ROI? And just all of those different pieces kinda flashed before my eyes

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Uhhuh

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Thankfully my coach very, very at what she did. And I did that three months. Yeah, but I do recommend you what you did because it's a whole lot less stress. And if you're already dealing with burnout, that can be a big, big thing to help reduce that stress. So what are your thoughts when it comes to a work life balance? Is that, and how do you define that for someone like yourself or for a someone you would work with?

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Yeah. You know, I think work life balance has become a buzzword. Right. And I think people have different reactions to it. I think for some people it's a frustrating term for other people. It's, it's hope it's something to aspire to. So what I would say about work life balance is, you know, it's gonna be different for everyone. Are we always gonna have this perfect balance between our career and our family life? No. I mean, that's just not realistic, but the way that I would of define it, and I know some people in the industry call it work, life integration. Again, in my book, I talk a lot about this, but I think ultimately regardless of the term regardless of, you know, what society expects of you to have that balance, I think each person just needs to think about what's gonna make the most sense for them.

(12:30):

You know, I feel like if you can find a way a for your personal and your professional life to coexist in a way that works for you and your family and your employer, then that's how you can achieve the right balance or whatever integration or whatever you wanna call it. For me, I think it's important to have my non-negotiables because I lost sight of those when I went through burnout. So in my calendar, I, you know, have time blocked off for things like, you know, making nutritious meals for my family and eating healthy for making sure that I'm getting exercise in, you know, five, six days out of the week. You know, and again, this is for me, it's gonna be different for everybody to make sure that I make time for mindfulness in the morning or at night to have my bedtime, you know, ironed out so that I'm getting at least seven to eight hours of sleep and things are gonna move and change and it's not gonna be perfect.

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And there is gonna be chaos. And, you know, being a mom of two kids and an entrepreneur and a husband who has a very busy demand and career in tech things, don't always go according to plan. But I think if you have the intentions and you have the tools and you have it built into your schedule in a way that for the most part, let's say the 80 20 role, right? Yeah. 80% of the time you are doing those things, that's gonna, in my mind, it's also gonna help you to be more productive with your work and to actually still succeed and be successful in your career if you're building in time for those things for yourself. And then of course, making time for family. So I'm a soccer mom and a basketball mom. And so my evenings and weekends are pretty much filled with soccer games and tournaments, and same with, you know, basketball for both of my sons. And I don't wanna miss those things. So I make sure that I keep those times open for my family, for dinners, for, you know, family events. So that's kind of how I manage it. But again, I think everybody has to look at their life and what works for them, what works again for their family and their employer or their own business, if you're an entrepreneur and you have your own business.

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Yeah. Yeah. And I love that. You talked about how these are non-negotiables for you, exercise making meals for your family, sleeping and mindfulness, right. Even as someone who struggles with burnout myself and I go through periods where I'm like hustle, hustle, hustle, work, work, work, and then I'm like, whoa, this is too much, you know, I need to back off, I need to rest. I need to, you know, recover. And I have found for myself personally, I can go through six to eight weeks depending on what else is happening in life, where I can work. And I can work really hard and be very, very focused. And, and then I need like almost a week break. like a, like a mental break, a vacation so to speak. And not that I stop working and, you know, lay down and eat Bon bonds the whole time. yeah.

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Just time to get a little break from your, what you're working on. Yeah.

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Yeah. And so I, I try to schedule projects in such a way that okay. Knowing what my capacity is, right. Looking, looking ahead, not just a week or two weeks, but looking ahead for my family, Hey, this basketball season is studying or this season is gonna be amping up. It may not be a great time for me to bring on a new project, write a book, whatever it is. So I think that's really important in understanding your own cycle of like what you need to rest, recover, repair, rejuvenate, whatever the word is that resonates with you in this.

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Yes, I agree. And I, I think, you know, not that everybody has to go out and become an entrepreneur entrepreneur and work for themselves. But I know for me personally, that is one of the reasons why I did decide to go off on my own because then I would have that flexibility to be able to take on projects and collect collaborations and partnerships and things that made sense, and that I had the bandwidth for. And then I could postpone things or say no to things. If it wasn't gonna work out with the rest of my schedule or the rest of, you know, what was happening in my life at that time. So to be able to have that kind of control over your schedule is, you know, freeing to be able to, to balance as much as you can, but even if you do work for another company, I think, you know, especially after what we've experienced in the last 18 to 20 months in the pandemic, I think a lot more employees are, you know, wanting flexibility and wanting their employers to understand that they are trying to balance a lot of things.

(17:11):

And I think it's really opened up a conversation that needed to be add. So that actually is in my mind, a silver lining of what we've been through because everybody is more empathetic, more understanding, and there's more of a focus on mental and physical health. I feel like than ever before in my lifetime. And I'm hopeful that that will allow for individuals and employers, entrepreneurs to find what's gonna work for them.

(17:39):

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And I, I mean, obviously I'm, self-employed, you're self-employed, but our husbands work in, let's just say corporate America and has been coming home and telling me that hi, like upper management for them are having conversations around what can we do for our employees? How can we incentivize them? How can we make this work? And I think a lot of companies, at least my husband company is realizing that a lot can be remotely and things are changing. And I think we can dwell on all the bad that came from it. But there's also, like you were saying, a lot of good that has come from employers, you know, having more empathy, understanding, Hey, they're homeschooling their kids or distance or, or whatever, and trying to manage meetings from home and everything. So I think there is definitely some good that has come from this, but

(18:39):

Absolutely.

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What does holistic wellness look like for you and why is that? I,

(18:47):

Yeah, I think holistic wellness is a huge focus for me because I do certifications in various areas of wellness that it's all interconnected. I, you know, did a, a, a TEDx talk last year about this time last year called why wellness is a secret to personal and professional success. And I talk about what I like to call the four pillars of wellness, which are mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual health. And they do affect one another. What you're thinking in your mind, what you're feeling emotionally maybe what you, you know, believe in terms of, you know, a cause or something bigger than yourself. It also does have a, a physical impact on you and vice versa. So that's where I just feel that it's important to be thinking about all these different aspects of how you're eating, how you're moving your body, how you're managing your stress, your relationships, and these different elements of your life because they do interrelate to one another and you can't really neglect one or the other.

(19:47):

Now one thing I will say is I often get the question from clients and other groups that I talk to, you know, and the question is how it's daunting to think about doing all of these things. How can I focus on getting enough sleep and eating well and exercising? I, I can't do it all. And I always tell people, you don't have to do it all at once. I think it is important and most realistic to pick one thing at a time and really make sure that that becomes a healthy habit and a part of your daily life. And then you can add, you know, the next thing and the next thing. So taking just with anything in life, right? You can't do 80 things at once, but if you really focus on one, prioritize it and master it, then you can focus on adding these additional practices and habits and behaviors that will then over time and give you that holistic approach to wellness. So it's a, it's a step by step process and it takes time, but once you can get there and it does become, again, just part of your daily life, you'll be able to see the benefits both mentally and physically, emotionally and spiritually over time.

(20:50):

Yeah. Thank you. That was actually gonna be one of my questions for someone cause like you, I deal with a lot of people that are like, you're telling me I need drink water and I need to exercise and I need to, you know, so much, especially if you're really in burnout, it's like, this is too much. I can't even get started. And then you I think paralyzed, right? So I love that you talked about just starting with one area, working on food, working on water, working on movement, whatever it may be and start with something in my opinion. And you can, can, you can disagree and tell us what you think, but start with something that may be easy for you.

(21:32):

Yes. I wholeheartedly agree with that. Something that you enjoy, something that is more natural to you because then you're gonna have some success with it. Right. And then once you feel successful, then you'll be able to have that motivation and that confidence to take gone the next change. And you know, my hope is, and maybe this is a little bit idealistic of me, but I kind of feel like some of these wellness practices should ideally, or can ideally be like brushing your teeth every day. Right? Like putting your shoes on when you walk out the door. I mean, there's things that we don't think twice about because it's part of our daily hygiene or daily routine. And hopefully, you know, things like moving your body, eating well, sleeping well, hydrating, you know, practicing mindfulness in my mind, those things are just as important in a way that works for each individual.

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I'm not gonna, you know, with my clients, I'm not gonna tell them exactly what they need to eat, what they need to do to exercise or how they practice mindfulness, because those are very personal things. But if you can take the time to figure out what's gonna work for you, maybe partnering with your doctor or any other healthcare professionals that you work with to kind of figure out based off of, you know, genetics or your dietary restrictions or, you know, joint issues or injuries, whatever limitations you, you may have, you can work with people to figure out what's the right plan for you. But again, hopefully over time it becomes as routine as brushing your teeth in the morning.

(22:59):

Yeah. I love that. I re so here's just a quick little story. I remember when I was trying to like, do all the things that you were talking about. Oh, I say overhaul my life. I was struggling energy, you know, burnout. I was, I was like, I just don't wanna cook and clean, you know, and wipe a bums all day. I wanna actually do something, but I was not taking care of myself. I wasn't sleeping. I wasn't, you know, doing all the things that I needed to. And somebody was like, keep a, you'll figure out how grateful you are for things. And I was like, that just felt like one more thing that I had to do. And , so what I actually started doing was I kept like a mental note instead of like physically writing it down, I would say to myself, pinch me, this is real life.

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And that was my way of saying, I'm so grateful for the hug that I just got for my kid. Or I'm so grateful that my husband sent me in the middle of the day or, you know, whatever it was is keeping a journal was right me at that time. So the reason I share that with the listeners is cause I want you guys realize that it doesn't have to be hard and just be something. So find nuggets, surround yourself with people who are talking about this stuff, maybe using some of the language and try out a lot of different things and be like, okay, this works, this sticks, this doesn't that kinda thing.

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Exactly. I, I completely agree. It's trying different things. Sometimes it will be trial and error and you know, just taking your time with it and taking it at your own pace. There's no race to the finish line. This, these are lifestyle changes and hopefully they can become life long changes. But it takes time and investment to figure out what's gonna work for you. And I think that is the key is that everybody is different and there isn't a right or wrong per se or an exact formula as to how you practice wellness or how you find work life balance or integration. There are tools and there are, you know, ideas and there are professionals that can help you. But I think deep down each individual really knows themselves better than anyone and will be able to decipher what's going to work and what's not going to work for them.

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And that that's kind of in my work. That's what I wanna do is, you know, provide all of the resources and my knowledge and my experience and skills, but then help them come to the answer for them and the solution that's gonna work best for them. And then help them get that type of ownership around it so that they can really, you know, be vested in it. If the client doesn't want to make the change, it's really hard to get them to do it and stick with it. Right. I'm sure you've noticed that Shannon with your client work, you have to really wanna make the change and understand the value of doing it in order for it to stick and really be impactful in your life.

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Yeah. You used an interesting word you said in their, in yourself. So let me ask you, what does investing in yourself mean? Does that mean you've gotta spend a whole bunch of money on yourself, but like what does that look like for you?

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Yeah, I'm glad you asked that question because it is something that's important to clarify. I think for everybody listening in investment doesn't need to mean financial. When I say investment, I think of it more as investing some time and some energy and just prioritizing yourself. So making an investment in yourself means that you value yourself. You're important. And you're going to take the time to figure out how to make the changes that you need to do you want, if you want to spend a certain amount of money, you know, to get support or other resources or you know, things that are gonna help you? Sure. I think, again, that's up to the individual, but investing in yourself does not have to mean fine financially for sure. It can just mean investing again your time and your energy and your focus.

(27:08):

Yeah. Okay. So that being said, , mm-hmm, , I'm gonna ask you really hard questions. I have worked with a lot of women who struggle with self-esteem and self-worth and confidence in like that. So for the women who are struggling to feel, let's say worthy of investing in themselves, they feel like I'm a mom, I'm, you know, this at like, my job is to worry about everybody else and then worry about myself. What advice would you give them? Or what would you say to that person who is like, but I just can't, I, I don't know how, or do you have anything for them?

(27:50):

Yeah. I mean, one, I would, I would just be empathetic because I think no matter who you are or where you come from or what your situation is, I think as humans, we've all had periods of our life where we don't feel as worthy. We don't feel as confident and our self-esteem is not as high as we would like it to be. I think it's happened to all of us. It's happened to me. And I, I always try to share that with my clients and let them know that they're not alone. So I think that would be the first thing, because when you know that you're not alone and that every other human at some point has felt the same way as you, then it allows you to feel like, okay, you know, I, I, I everybody's else struggles, excuse me, everybody else struggles.

(28:36):

But you know, I can make some steps or make some changes to maybe change my mindset or my thinking. And I know that it's not something that's easy for. I know that that's something that's not easy for everyone. And it could take years, right. To undo maybe that inner voice or that programming in your head. But I think having community and having support around you is really important. And just knowing that if you feel that your role is to take care of other people, while you do you know, want to prioritize them, you're not gonna be as effective in taking care of those people. If you can't take care of yourself first. And so you really need to fill your own cup. I know that's cliche, but taking care of your own health and wellbeing will allow, you will allow you to have the ability to then effectively care for others. So those were, those would be some of the things that I would say, and that I do say to my clients and I think it's just meeting them where they are. And again, really being empathetic and understanding that change. Like this is not easy for everyone. And so you can't just expect everyone to be ready to go and ready to make those changes. And I think working with people, meeting them where they are and taking small steps to help them, to help them build their confidence will really help.

(29:59):

Yeah. Yeah. I love that so much. So last question, and then we will wrap this up. So how can you achieve personal and professional success through wellness?

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Yes. So the connection there is that when you are taking care of your physical health, your mental health, your emotional health and you're feeling confident and good because sometimes that confidence that we were just talking about can come from actually feeling well when you don't feel well, it's hard to be confident within yourself, right? Yeah. But if you're well rested and you're eating healthy, you've got energy, you're moving. That confidence could actually come from that. And then you can actually channel that to your career. You're gonna be more productive. You're gonna be more clear headed to be able to make good decisions and, you know, put, be creative and put your best work forward. So I really do think that there's a connection. That is really the foundation of the work that I do. It, that message is in my TEDx talk, it's in my book and it's in the work that I do with my clients.

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And I really wholeheartedly feel I feel that, and, and I try to practice that as well. So I would just say to all the women listening, you know, to take care of yourself from the inside, out, in order to then take care of your family and loved ones, your career, your community, and all the people that you serve in your life. And while it's not easy, and it's not just this quick one and done thing, it is something that you do have to take the time to do on a daily basis. You will hopefully over time, see the impacts of it. And even if you lose your way a little bit and lose sight of it, if you remember that your wellness is important, hopefully it's something you can continue to come back to and reset yourself throughout different stages of your life.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, and you touched on a really important point. Life is fluid, right? When a couple years ago, your kids were young. Now they're a little more self sufficient. They can, you know, get themselves a cup or take themselves to the, whereas a couple years ago they were looking to mom, dad, you know, somebody to help with some of those things. So life is gonna change. We're gonna go through seasons where we may be taking care of family members or loved ones or something right there. There's always gonna be something happening in our life, but it's now setting those habits, those patterns. And even if you get a little derailed, you, you know how to get back to it. So I love that you touched on that. Is there anything else, Rena, that you would like to share with the audience for anything that you feel like would just be a good partying message?

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Yeah. So a couple quick things, one, thank you for having me, Shannon. I really hope our conversation is helpful to other women out there listening. Two, my motto of my company, is it a passion fit? And so the motto is pursue your passions, be fit and meaning fit mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. And then the rest will follow whatever the outcomes are that are supposed to happen. Things will unfold as they should. If you are, you know, focused on things that you care about and you're taking care of yourself and those around you, and then you're able, able to kind of make the impact and have the goals that you wanna have in your life. And if my company can help you or anybody that, you know, in any way, feel free to check out passion, fit.com. It has all of my product services and content. You can follow me on social media and my new book again, that came out called the wellness empowered woman and gets into even more depth on many of the top topics that we covered today. So I just wish you all the best. I hope everyone is able to take care of themselves, especially now. And I'm here for support if anyone needs it. And thank you again for having me

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Perfect. Yes. And all of your links will be in the show notes. You guys, so you can goes out. We've got her her website, her Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, all of the things. And we'll see you guys in the next,

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Before you go. I wanted to share with you that we are switching things up for the new year open enrollment for the Hansen method for a thriving thyroid will begin in early January, 2022. Oh my gosh. That feels so weird to say, but our official launch date and program will start Monday, January 17th. And we have a total of 20 spots open for the session. So let me tell you a little bit about the handsome method. If you Aret already familiar with it, the handsome method now a six month long program that includes functional testing two to three personalized protocols. During that time period to help you optimize your thyroid hormones. You're probably saying why two to three because guess what? The progress of our thyroid hormones, it takes time. So we build out this system, this plan for you based off the test results that come back.

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So everything is gonna be customized to you. Dietary lifestyle supplementation, all of that. Now on average, we see a 30% reduction in symptoms within 30 days. Sometimes it takes a little bit longer, but by the end of the four of four months, we're seeing an average reduction of 70% in your thyroid symptoms. if that's not good enough for you though, we are now offering a guarantee. So if you don't see that 70% reduction in your symptoms within six months of working with us in our program, we will work with you until you hit that 70% or for an entire year with no additional charges or fees to you. It is all covered in the original cost. So in order to qualify for this guarantee, though, you have to put in a little bit of work. So you must be participating in journaling for the first couple months.

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And if we ask you to go back to it, you know, go back to it. And we also wanna see you showing up to the coaching calls I get. You may not be able to attend every single group coaching call. That's totally fine. As long as you're showing up to your one-on-ones and you're having good regular communication with us, reaching out to us. When we reach out to you and say, Hey, we haven't heard from you. We're gonna keep working with you because we are so confident in the system and we will follow you all the way through the entire process. If you are interested in applying for this opportunity, please, please, please click the thyroid breakthrough link in the show notes and apply today to speak to one of our thyroid advisors. We don't charge for these appointments. So you literally have nothing to lose. And our thyroid advisors will be super helpful to you helping you better understand if this is gonna be a good fit for you, or if you would be better suited to work with someone else. All right, you guys, I hope each one of you books, a breakthrough call because we would love to speak with you.

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