54// Stop Suffering with Skin Issues with Jennifer Fugo

Jennifer Fugo, MS, LDN, CNS is a clinical nutritionist empowering adults who’ve been failed by conventional medicine to beat chronic skin and unending gut challenges. She has experience working with conditions such as eczema, psoriasis, rosacea, dandruff + hives — with clientele ranging from regular folks to celebrities + professional athletes. She holds a Master’s degree in Human Nutrition from the University of Bridgeport and is a Licensed Dietitian-Nutritionist and Certified Nutrition Specialist. Her work has been featured on Dr. Oz, Reuters, Yahoo!, CNN, and many podcasts and summits. Jennifer is a faculty member of the LearnSkin platform, an Amazon best-selling author, and the host of the Healthy Skin Show.

 

We discuss:

How does thyroid function impact skin + could potentially cause skin rashes?

 

Are there any particular skin issues that you know are linked specifically to hypothyroidism?

 

Nutrients that are important for both thyroid + skin health

 

Let's talk about the 16 root causes of skin rashes that you often discuss -- where does thyroid function fall?

 

How important is it to support your thyroid if you're working on your skin?

 

Thoughts on blending conventional treatments with diet/lifestyle/supplements etc?

 

What are your thoughts on diet -- is there really one diet that can fix rashes?

 

Does it matter where you start to work on things?

 

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FULL TRANSCRIPT

 

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This is episode 54 with Jennifer Fugo. Jennifer Fugo is a clinical nutritionist, empowering adult who have been failed by conventional medicine to be chronic skin and unending gut challenges. She has experienced working with conditions, such such as eczema, psoriasis, rosacea, DDR, and HS with clientele ranging from regular folks to, to celebrities plus professional athletes. She holds a master's degree in human nutrition from the university of a bridge port, and is a licensed dietician nutritionist and is nutrition specialist. She works. Her work has been featured on Dr. Oz, Yahoo, CNN, and many other podcasts in summit. Jennifer is a faculty member of learn skin platform, an Amazon bestselling author and the host of the healthy skin. So

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Welcome back to the thriving thyroid podcast, where we choose to become empowered patients and take our health into our own hands. Hi, I'm Shannon Hansen, a Christian entrepreneur, a mom of three. And after dealing with my own health mysteries, I made it my mission to learn on everything I could about the thyroid. I soon became certified as a holistic wellness practitioner, a functional nutrition practitioner and a functional diagnostic practitioner. And so much more after that, I founded the revolutionary thyroid program, the handsome method as a health professional and a mom. I fully understand the importance of having a fun, simple, and sustainable plan for achieving a responsive thyroid. So I share actionable and practical strategies for developing a responsive thyroid so that the ambitious moms and women can gain freedom from fatigue and lose the thyroid weight once. And for all each week, I will be here for you along with my guest experts, we will be sharing simple and tangible tips that work for not only your thyroid, your hormones, your family, and your mindset, so that you can get back to living the life that you envision for yourself. Welcome to the thriving thyroid podcast.

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All right, welcome everyone to you. Today's episode. I have Jennifer Fugo. Did I say that right?

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It's FUO

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FUO OK. Thank you. With me on today's podcast, and we're gonna be talking about skin issues such as eczema, rosacea, DDR, and hives. And I'm really excited because this is something that a lot of women with homos hypo struggle with as well. And so I think that this is great to have her on, so welcome, Jennifer.

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Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

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All right. Well, give us a little bit of background as to who you are, your clinical experience designation, all of those fun things.

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absolutely. So I am a clinical nutritionist, also a certified nutrition specialist and a licensed diet dietician nutritionist in the state of Pennsylvania. And I've been in the nutrition field, I would say for about 11 or 12 years. At this point, I was initially a help coach and then realized after a couple years, I really wanna dig deeper into biochemistry. And I was working with a lot of people at the time who had celiac disease and thyroid problems. And I just realized, I didn't know enough to do what I actually wanted to do to, in order to really fully so, so I went back to school for a master's degree in clinical nutrition at the university Bridgeport. And yeah, I opened my practice stores in 2017 to start working as a clinical nutritionist and I have a completely virtual practice. And so I work with a lot of people who struggle with chronic skin issues things like eczema, psoriasis, Rosa, chronics, Andra and then also a lot of times there's overlap between other conditions.

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It's not uncommon to see thyroid issues gut problems, other autoimmune disease. So it's real smothering of concerns. And a lot of times they feel like they're, you know, they've just not been listened to. And they'd like to try to my clients really wanna try to address things in a different way. They don't wanna do the wait and see approach. They'd like to also not micromanage their life via a diet and think the diet is the only way to address their health issues. And so we dig around and find root causes that could be contributing to some of the lab issues nutrient depletions gut challenges, whatever it may be and work to resolve them from that root cause approach.

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I love that so much and I love that coming at it at that root cause. So tell me a little bit more about what do you do to discover those root causes? Cause I know you listed that there's about 16. Yes.

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There root

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Causes. So tell us a little bit about that.

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Yes. So the first thing that I really like to do is pass a wide net. I think that's incredibly important. And then I'm sure your audience can really appreciate this is that you go into the doctors, you're like, oh, I have this headache. I have, you know, this ache in my elbow, I've got this rash here. I I've got the sniffles. And the doctor's like, I don't care about that. What part is specific to what I look at? And that's all they really wanna pay attention to. Sometimes you get a great doctor. I don't wanna like poo on doctor. My dad was an MD and a surgeon. So I understand the, I really understand that we have a standard of care that doctors do have to uphold in order to not potentially lose their own licensure, but there is oftentimes in the, the way that things are done today, we don't connect dots and dots get missed.

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And sometimes even in lab work, there may be things that are slightly off, but it's ignored until it's bad enough to diagnose something and actually treat it with like a medication, for example. And so I'm like cast a wide net. Let's talk about all the different symptoms that you're experiencing, look at your diagnoses, but also all of these other things, looking your past, you know as a kid, for example, I used to swim every single weekend in a basically a large river . And so things like that I had one client where she had completely forgotten. She grew up on a farm in the middle of the Midwest and when they were kids, they would run out when the crop duster would, I'm flying over with all the the pesticides and they would run through the dust and it would be all over their bikes and their toys.

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And so she had completely forgotten that potential exposure. So this goes all the way back to childhood. Sometimes I'll even ask questions about like the health of the, your mom before she even had you to understand how we got here. Cause the historical data is just as important as the lab data. And unfortunately it's only stored usually in about one spot, which is you. Sometimes you can go back and ask mom, but she's not gonna know everything after a certain point. And so we look to say, okay, like, do you have headaches? Do you have, you know, like one question I ask people, which is a weird, they, a lot of times think is a weird question, but is, do you have the sensation of bugs crawling under your skin? That's actually a very common experience in people who have skin rash issues. And then not only fixating on the type of diagnosis that you were given with your skin, but also what are the symptoms or issues that you are experiencing because to be fair, eczema presents different ways, psoriasis presents different ways.

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And it also helps me to know whether I need to refer you back to a dermatologist, for example, in the event that maybe part of the problem in this very moment is a skin infection. So, and casting this wide net looking at a bunch of different systems and then going, okay, how can we see where these crucial root causes are that are possibly causing you to not get better doing like the same things that other people have done and they've gotten results, but it's for whatever reason, not working for you and that's fine, but it's probably something that you're not anticipating. You know, like I've had clients that have certain parasitic infections. They wouldn't, you know, of course diet's not gonna work in that case because they have a parasitic infection and diet can't actually make improvements with that. So that's just an example. It's, it's looking broadly and honing in then a way that differential, my dad used to say that was really how differential diagnosis was done a long time ago.

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But as we got into this more like current day and age of medicine, it sort of went out the window cause it takes too long and everybody stays in their own lane. So like, my dad is an ophthalmologist will look at it, the eyes, sometimes the brain, but mostly the eyes. And then you have the dermatologist that just looks at skin. So a lot of times when their patient comes in saying, but doc, I think maybe my gut is involved. They're like, oh no, no, there's no connection between your gut and your skin or your thyroid, your skin, even though there, there is to that. There is

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, and this is what I tell everybody is our body is an ecosystem. Nothing is isolated. nothing works independently. We're all kinda interconnected and it weaves in and out. And I love that you brought up that your dad was an because, so my dad was an occupational therapist and that kind of led me into looking at things a little bit differently. So he, before he passed away, he started doing like a lot of red light therapy. And this was before, like way before red light therapy became like a thing. I remember him doing a lot of research on that and helping to just collect the data and put together like medical journals and things like that for the red light therapy. So it's kind of interesting to have like a grow app as a child in that perspective of like, oh, there's, this is what standard practice of care is. And then you start to see, at least for my dad, he started to kind of branch out and see naturalpathic that doctors and change his diet a little bit and, you know, kind of play around with things before passing. So super interesting. And the other thing that I wanna know is when it comes to like skin rashes, how does that interconnect with thyroid function? What, what kind of connections are you seeing with those, those root causes is

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Absolutely. So thyroid function or dysfunction I should say is one of the 16 root causes. So it's an important, crucial step because there are symptoms of skin rashes, like for example, very, you can have extremely dry skin and that can be a sign of poor thyroid function. So it is really, really important to take a look at a full thyroid panel if you've had chronic ongoing rashes especially eczema and psoriasis. So with psoriasis specifically, there is data to show that there is an increased propensity toward developing autoimmune thyroid dysfunction on fortunately. And it's something that when I have pulled my audience and said, Hey, when was the last time your doctor checked your thyroid? Most people say never. And that's really alarming because they do see that thyroid. So the TPO antibodies and the thyroglobulin antibodies can start to increase now why that is, I don't know, but it was compelling enough information that I actually have.

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I did a whole podcast on it. And on the research that I've looked at in regards to that, but for whatever reason. And, and I don't know whether, I don't know if it's a chicken and the egg scenario. It could be that somebody who's struggled with long term rashes has been put under so much stress and there could be other underlying nutrient depletions and things that could contribute to poor thyroid function. But you do have to look at it both from like a subclinical hypothyroid perspective where we're basically saying nutrients and the like iodine vitamin a protein, because we do make our audience probably knows we need tyrosine, which is amino acid to make thyroid hormone also selenium and iron, but also then too, going that step further in looking for the antibodies. And so, you know, there's been some which I shared with you one my, I always ask for a full thyroid panel, always.

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I don't always get it. Sometimes doctors are like, I don't see the point. However, this one particular client, she had really bad psoriasis on her hands. She was extremely miserable and not just from the skin and, and she was depressed. She had trouble getting outta bed. She had whittled her diet. She had tried so many different diets. She did no night shade. She did vegan. She did all sorts of things. She was so confused on what to eat and felt she was reactive to everything. And so her, when her labs came back and we sat down, I was like, okay, so you need to make an appointment with an endocrinologist, like soon as we get off the phone, because your TSH is at 33. And that is for those who don't know, that is extremely high. Like I think 4.5 to five, depending on the lab is usually the cutoff to be considered high.

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Optimals one to two, so it's really high. And so she did fortunately get on some medication that really helped to support because at that point that's not a food fixable issue. At that point. You got, you gotta get on medication to try to normalize the levels because you really don't feel well. And it's then a challenge to have the motivation, to do anything that I'm gonna to ask. And it's also not healthy. And so she was able to bring her levels much down much closer to an optimal state. And that alone made such a huge improvement in her quality of life. It didn't like magically heal her psoriasis, but it was such a huge improvement. I, she actually came on the healthy skin show to, which is my podcast to talk about this because she's like, I don't think people realize how important checking thyroid health is when you have psoriasis.

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So I, I would highly encourage anyone if you, like, if you've had a thyroid panel run, you know, that you have this predisposition, or you have a family history of thyroid issues and you've had chronic skin rashes or, you know, someone who has, even if it's a young child, like a lot of times the symptoms even further out from just like dry skin can kind of mirror thyroid issues. And so people will end up fatigued. They might start gaining weight like other. So you need to rule that out. It's really important. Cause the thyroid is part of our governs our metabolism to some degree. And if you don't have properly functioning and it also too, just from the nutritional standpoint, if like yesterday I, a client was like, oh my gosh, my tssh is at 10. How did that happen? Like, how did this happen?

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I've been feeling so great. And I lived at her and I was like, you know, did you take 10? Like, did you stop your 10 right before? Like, like seven, five to seven days before you went for this T was at 10, her TPO antibodies were really high, which was weird because they were not like that a year ago. I mean, it can happen, but her T her T4 was like in the toilet, but T3 was normal. And I'm like, something doesn't make sense here. Like maybe you should just, before you start meds, like just have that rechecked and sure. Stop the bio. So for people who don't know, bio is the one specific nutrient that can really mess up a bunch of th not only thyroid labs, but other labs like B12 iron and a whole bunch of other things. So you really wanna stop all supplements, not food, but all supplements with bio about seven days beforehand. And it's such a big deal. It's actually warning on the, the FDA's website about

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This. Yeah. No, thank you for bringing up that up. I remember a couple years ago when I learned that my mom so my mom has she had a full thyroidectomy cuz she had thyroid cancer. She was taking bio 10 for the hair, skin, nails, you know, that kinda thing. And we, I had learned it and I remember talking to her about it. She was like, oh my gosh. I wonder if that's why my labs have been crazy. And her doctor was kind of playing with her medication. So she was feeling good. And then the doctor changed her dosage and she's like, I feel like garbage again. You know? So thank you for bringing that up. I wanna go back to the parasitic activity in causation of like skin issues, thyroid, cause this is something that we see a lot with our clients as well is deeper infections that are happening and they're, they're manifesting from that like inside out. So tell us a little bit more about, you know, testing for parasites, what you do. Ha and, and I think that is really important. Is hill agents in there for that

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Yeah. I will see this parasitic testing sinks and like you can always go by it. I get lucky sometimes that pro so like more single cell organisms, not worms will show up on a test. I've never had a client come back with worms, show up positive on a test. Fortunately, although I did have one client, she somehow managed to get into an infectious disease doctor and the doctor did anal scraping and a worm.

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awesome. that sounds like exactly what I wanna do. Exactly.

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But most of the time it comes back negative. And so the thing is I like cast a wider net really helps you because stool testing in and of itself is not perfect. , and, and there's a couple of reasons for that, but you have to keep in mind, number one, parasites can move. They might not stay in colon. So, you know, you're the, the stool sets is looking at the colon. If they're not there anymore, they're not there also too. You can do three day or five day stool samples. It's no guarantee that they're ever gonna come out, that you're gonna pick out enough, it's gonna show up. So it is what it is, but using like the symptoms and the clinical picture can sometimes be really helpful. So I have had clients who've traveled extensively to third world countries, and those are usually the ones where I'm like, yeah, we're gonna, we're probably gonna just say parasites question mark, and like leave that there.

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Because my assumption is that you probably pick something up inadvertently. And another piece to this to remember is that you don't have to get violently ill to get sick with parasites. I think that's the common, you, you also don't have to have any gut symptoms. Right? I have plenty of cases. Clients have like, they poop like a champ one to three times a day, no gas, no bloating, no belching, nothing. And it just comes out their skin. And so the I've had doctors where they're like this stool test that said you had blast Hoon. I don't believe it. You don't have any digestive issues. We're gonna do a local test at lab cor and, and behold, it comes back high for blasto on their test. And they're like, oh, well, I normally wouldn't treat cause you don't have any symptoms. Even though the person is miserable.

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And there is data that shows it can show up in the skin, but, but whatever, that's fine. And then eventually they do actually treat for it sometimes depending on the severity of the symptoms I will refer a client back to their doctor to get some sort of medication treatment. I work with a lot of people who have what I call histamine overload mm-hmm . And so if you're so awfully miserable you know, you're also very on the food that you can eat. You're doing a low histamine diet that's bar, even kinda covering it or scratching the surface. You're taking like two to three histamine antihistamines a day. You're up all night itchy at the end of the day. And I had one client who had like pretty bad asthma at that point. I'd rather drop the level, you know, like I there's and cons everything that we do, whether it's a botanical or an herb or it's medication.

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And sometimes you have to weigh that. And I allow that person to make the decision themselves. What they feel is best. I provide them the information and say, what do you wanna do? Because the medication may at least bring you some relief a lot faster, then we can keep on working on things. And a lot of times you still do have to work on the parasitic issues beyond yeah. A rounded medication, but if it can get them to sleep yes. And if it can get them to be able to add more foods in without reacting, that's a big win.

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Yeah, absolutely. So I'm gonna be a little vulnerable on here. So a couple years ago, I'll give you guys a little bit of background. You guys know I lived in a mold infested home, which kinda tanked my immune system. I just thought, oh, I'll avoid those areas. And it wasn't, you know, a big deal or whatever. I was very uneducated at the time. Well then long story, fast forward, couple years later, we move to our little mini farm where we're at now we have goats, chickens, cows, dogs, cats, turkeys, the whole thing. And so I was, I was found through some functional testing that my, my mold levels were still very high. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna do this cleanse. I'm gonna, you know, work on the mold while that specific protocol that I went on also addressed parasites. Well around November, December, this last year I on the cleanse was passing parasites.

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I had one, you guys, I did not take a picture of it. All of my practitioner friends are like, where are the pictures? I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no, we don't do those but I swear it was like 12 inches long. It was huge. I had no idea that I was dealing with these issues because like you were saying, Jennifer, I didn't have the traditional MI symptoms. And then I also kind of looked at some of the, the symptoms my kids were having. And I was like, they probably have it too. Okay. Well here we go for the kids, you know, and making sure that their, their protocol is obviously more kid appropriate. to what they had. But I think it's just such a big thing to realize that sometimes there's things that are happening below the surface. And even though in my GI maps and other tests that I've run on myself, I never had parasites. I was not like I knew about 'em obviously , but I had never like, oh, I should do a cleanse. But when I started putting the pieces together was like, oh, I get it. Mm-Hmm so yeah,

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The other piece to it that are, can be red flags in other lab testing that you wouldn't necessarily think of. And this is where, like you just, from the clinical, like working with clients, it, you start to see patterns that nobody really taught you. And so like a couple of things like on a CDC panel, if your eosinophils are hot, that can be at least a red flag for a POS like a histamine problem. Yeah. However, if you also have a total IgE, so we're, we're talking more on like the allergic side of things that is also really high. That especially too, especially if you are not around the allergies that you have confirmed. So one quick example, I have a client who has a nut allergy. She's had a nut allergy for, so obviously they don't have in her it's right.

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She doesn't eat nuts. Why is there total IgE still through the roof? He didn't make any sense. And I was like, so I suspect you might have parasites. And that's what actually came back. So there is research. It is done in other countries. Most of them, I guess most us doctors would consider like third world countries. But does show that parasites can increase our total IgE marker by sometimes up to four times what it normally would be. And it's, it ranges not, it's not just worms. It can also be different types of single cell organisms. There are some parasites like an into AMBA HISA that produce histamine. There's also certain bacteria that do as well that you can pick up on certain stool tests, but just keep in mind that sometimes it might not be the stool test that you rely on again. That's why they're not perfect. And when you take the, the whole picture and you overlay it with the other data, the lab data, you, you can usually, you know, it's a little a, smidgy guesswork sometimes, but yeah, at this point, you know, we, we do the best we can. Yeah.

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I call this clinical correlation. We're looking at the labs, we're looking at the paper, we're looking at, you know what, this essentially, a piece of paper is telling us, but then we're also asking you questions, you know, are you having headaches? Are you, this? Are you that, are you, do you feel like your skin is crawling or buds are underneath or, you know, those different things. And we're saying, okay, because this is saying this, and this is saying this, and we're, we're putting these puzzle pieces together and connecting the dots. You know, these are our options, right. Lean forward.

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Absolutely. And it's also not uncommon, like kids get pinworms. So if the kids have the pinworms, it's possible that other members of the family have them. You have pet. If we have cats and dogs, especially ones that go outside cats are notorious for carrying parasites. You know, and that's why pregnant women, aren't supposed to even clean out a, a school a, a cat lit lit I'm thinking still tests it litter box in cat world. But dogs go outside and the most common route of entry for parasites is actually not to ingest them, but it's through the bottom of the foot. And I learned that the hard way when my husband and I were down in the, on a beach, and then we came home and he had these, he squiggles on the bottom of his feet. He had to go I've parasites from walking in a, in, in a barefoot ina Rica.

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So yes, it can't, you don't have to just like, see the worm crawling out of the uncooked sushi or a piece of fish cause that's another problem. And also too, there has been confirmed information through even just like a local or a regular news station, like NPR, I think it's Arkansas. I'm pretty sure it's Arkansas is like the hook worm capital of the United. States' like, it's so bad. Cause the poor septic systems there and the, when they have huge delusions of rain, the septic systems overflow, the worms get into the soil and people when they walk around with end up picking up worms. So it's a real thing.

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It totally is. And I, I always walk around barefoot in my gardening cause I'm like, I'm grounding, but these animals, so here we go. I either I have to always wear shoes or always do cleanses. I dunno. yeah. Okay. So moving on, tell us what your thoughts are about blending, conventional treatments with diet, lifestyle, supplementation, those types of things to deal with skin issues in general.

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I think it can be complimentary. I do have concern that people will, I have a lot of clients that have gotten so ignored and blown off and sometimes insulted by their dermatologist, unfortunately that they don't wanna go back. Even when I'm like begging them, you have to go, I think, have a infection, given your symptoms to go like eight outta 10 in right. Have a staff infection. And that's not something that you're really going to. I know that some people say, oh no, I've dealt with staff with, you know, this or that and natural things. But to be honest with you, most of the time, the clients that I have, it's too extensive. It's not something you want really self, you may need antibiotic and sometimes antibiotics might actually help what's going on. It's not uncommon to have overgrowth within the GI track.

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I think we have this, I would almost say misled notion that we all are depleted in our microbiome cause of our, you know, that our, our society's propensity to use antibiotics for everything and antibiotics and meat and poultry, et cetera. But the thing is I with, as I'm sure you do, people who have some level of illness, the majority of the school tests that I look at, show overgrowth, not undergrowth. Sometimes they have under, I have, I personally have an, an under state and that's just me, but sometimes antibiotics can be really helpful and especially to move the marker. And especially when it's in a more emergency type situation I'm not anti medication I used to be like, no, we're gonna do everything natural. And to be honest with you, that doesn't work for everybody. Yeah. I do like to cautiously remind people that, you know, there are side effects to every medication.

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Even those prescribed enlarged tubs, like topical steroids, we have to be cautious of how much we rely on that. And, and, and that's just simply from, you can actually become addicted. Your body can become addicted to, to the constant exposure to hydrocortisone. And that's a whole other set of problems yeah. In of itself. However, if you are willing to blend both together, sometimes people will get better, faster. But there can be instances where that, you know, somebody might just wanna do, you know, all or botanicals and that's fine. I think everyone should have their right to make the decision of what's best for them. It's not my job to dictate that to someone it's to present them, the situation pros and cons here are your options. What do you wanna do? And how can I support you in getting there? But I will say this diet is really helpful, but it's not at the end all be all.

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If you have pretty serious nutrient depletions, you probably cannot rely on diet to fix it. You know, if you have severe anemia, you're not gonna get enough iron from your diet to address that in a timely fashion, you are likely going to need to supplement iron. And if it's really, really depleted, you might be even, unfortunately need some sort of iron infusion because that's, I have had clients that are that, that low in iron and it's been not severe. So I think, you know, food is medicine, but there are limitations to it. And when you're extremely ill, it's not to say, go eat. Mcdonald's, don't worry about your diet. It's not that you can eat a really amazing diet and not absorb either the nutrients or enough of the nutrients that you actually need in order to replenish the dry Wells that have resulted from years and years of whatever.

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It's not, this isn't a blame game. It's just saying, this is what is here. How do we wanna get to where you wanna go in the most efficient, an, an effective manner. And that's where supplements can be helpful. You know, and, and, and, and tweaking the diet so that it is ultimately common sense enough and easy enough for you to follow that. You're not feeling like you're starving or that you're having to give up everything that you love. I work with people that end up with an extreme amount of food fear. They will overlay like Amy Meyer side, Isabella went side AIP, this low histamine low. And before, you know, it, they're down to three foods. They're terrified to add anything else back in, and they end up extreme nutrient depletions. And then after a certain point there, there's a lot of challenge. And I, you know, I sometimes will even have to recommend that the person go back to a therapist and someone who's really trained in, in eating disorders, because this is what is happening in our community is the, the, the idea that diet can fix everything.

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But if you, you're only, it's like, I'm just one more elimination away from being healthy. And we have that mentality, like the more restrictive you are, the healthier you're going to be, and that's really a dangerous slipper slow. Yeah. So I'm not saying go indulge the gluten that you want, go eat trans fats by the bucket full. I'm not saying any of that, but if you're terrified to eat blueberries or asparagus or, oh, goodness, any number of things because of X, Y, and Z, and what you read in all these different books. And so, and so on the internet told you to take this out. That's really dangerous because we don't make most of the nutrients that our body needs to thrive. We have to actually take them in through either food or supplementation. And when you extremely limit your food, that means you have to rely on supplements more.

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You don't, you really, at that point, don't have luxury of saying, well, I just don't wanna do all these supplements. Yeah. Where is it coming from? Like, I , I have been put in that position to explain to someone how they're gonna fix nutrient depletions, but they don't want to expand their diet, but they don't wanna do supplements. I'm like, I can't, we're stuck. We're stuck. So again, the important it's imperative to try to eat a diverse diet diversity helps improve diversity within our microbiome. It also allows us to have a diverse amount of nutrients. And I just, I would hate to see somebody go through whether it's Hashimotos or some sort of auto immunity or chronic skin issue and come out the other side within eating disorder. And that is a very, very real reality. Unfortunately, right now,

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It really is. We, so I'll give you guys a couple examples. One of our clients, she went and saw a dietician years ago, her insurance company would only pay for one visit. And the, they did like an I food sensitivity testing. She was, you know, sensitive to all these foods. So she cut out fruits, vegetables, meats, legumes, all of these whole grains, and nobody taught her how to take them out and reintroduce them. And so now what became her diet was, and this was again, years ago. So she took out all those foods and she replaced it with a lot of unhealthy foods, cookies, cakes, processed, junk, whatever. And, and we've had to work with her on, Hey, this is really good. , you know, we need this nutrient to help support these things. You may have a minor food reaction to it, but we still need that food to, to help, right.

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To help support, to give the nutrients. And eventually your body's going to self correct self heal, and you can, then you won't have those food reactions, but we're, we're having to take out all of these bad things and replace everything , you know, and it's ki it's, it's a really tricky thing. We, there's also another client that we haven't, I shouldn't say client prospect, she hasn't enrolled with us because she is not ready for our program. She has to deal with the food trauma. We can even get into what needs to be done for the thyroid around food and nutrition. So it is, it's a very real thing. And I'm with you. We have to keep as much as we can in, in the diet for the nutrients, right. For the nutrition and supplements are just that they are supplemental to a good, healthy diet lifestyle, all of the things. So I love that so much. Is there, before we wrap this up, is there any, any last thoughts or information that you feel like the listeners should have?

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Well, I would definitely say that if you're looking to pass the wide net, obviously I have a lot of resources over on my website. I have, like, I have a whole P guide on how to go through the 16 root causes and identify those so that you can sort for yourself like where you kinda need to start to focus here because that's the biggest problem. Not everybody has all 16. So whatever you're reading combo is you wanna identify that and that will, then you identify where you need to, to put your energy toward and that's that's available. And then I also have the healthy skin show as well. There's over 200 episodes of the healthy skin show at this point. So there's a ton of information. And you know, you can easily search in the search bar for the topic that you're looking for.

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We've got tons experts, doctors, dermatologists, gastroenterologists, dieticians, nutritionist, even patient stories. And sometimes it's just me sharing research and clinical pearls as well. To help you look at your skin from a completely different perspective and offer I, I just, I wanted to give people the opportunity to, to have more options, you know, to when you, I don't, I don't know about you Shannon, but like I just was handed more creams and that was what happened. Like I ended up this box full of lotions and creams and Sabs and all sorts of stuff that I bought at whole foods. And there's so much more to is going on with your skin than just on the outside. And so for somebody who's ready to kind of dig in and say, what the heck is going on, that's what this whole body of work that I've been creating over the last three years is that's who it's for to give you better options and to hopefully change the way that hopefully fingers crossed. the way that the standard of of care is looked at. Because I wish that the next time I refer a, a, a, a client back to the dermatologist because of a parasitic infection, they actually would care. Mm-Hmm, , you know, there's a handful of, of functional, integrated dermatologists that are interested in this, but there's a lot who still think, no, it's just a skin problem. It's just your genetic there's so much more to, to skin issues than just like genes and allergies. Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely. And that's kind of, one of my missions is helping people change the standard practice of care, letting them see that we, I mean, specifically for thyroid, we have to test more than tssh and T4, right? There's all of this other information and data that we need. And it, thyroid does not work alone. We need to look at, you know, sex hormones. We need to look at, you know, your gut microbiome. We need to look at kind of the whole picture. How are you absorbing the nutrients that you are eating? You kind of briefly touched on that, you know, maybe you're eating all the right foods and doing all the things, but your body can't break it down. Those are also things that we have to look at. And it comes from the patients being educated and asking the right questions and getting the doctors, getting the physicians to scratch your head.

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And, huh, I don't know about that. , you know, and doing it enough so that they can start seeing their own clinical correlations and, and doing the research and finding out the information. So thank you, Jennifer. And we will have all of your contact information linked up in the show notes. And hopefully you guys can go over and show, check out this 16 root causes. I think I'm gonna go download that. Not that I have eczema or anything like that, but it's just good information to have, because you never know what you could be over, missing or overlooking, especially if you're dealing with these skin issues. So thank you so much for being on today. Thank

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You for having me. I appreciate it.

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All right. We'll see you soon before you go. I want to make an offer to you guys. Now there's no pressure here, but if you are like me and you just wanna get to the root of the issue and you want help and you want guidance and you just wanna know what to do, and you are an action taker and are highly ambitious. We have several spots that are open for the Hansen method. Our schedule fills up very quickly. So if you are interested in getting in, filling out an application and joining us, please take the time to visit the show notes and schedule your thought irate breakthrough calls. We will be talking to you about what is holding you back, where do you wanna go? How do you wanna feel? And then give you our personal and professional recommendations on the next step for you so that you can get out of this thyroid chaos once. And for all,

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