It’s December 10th. On this day in 1836, the final days of the “Great Toledo War,” a conflict over a strip of territory between the state of Ohio and the territory of Michigan.

Jody and Niki are joined by Hanif Abdurraqib to discuss the origins of the battle, whether it qualifies as a “war,” and what to make of the ongoing Ohio-Michigan rivalry.

Hanif is the host of the latest season of the excellent music podcast “Lost Notes.”

Find a transcript of this episode at: https://tinyurl.com/esoterichistory

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