Ari and Chris are joined by their friend, mentor, and all-around amazing guy Wouter Stellaard! Wouter tells us about how his journey into the field started with an oiled bird on a beach in Holland, his unexpected move to America for school, his history as a trainer with NEI, his work as a consultant and as a leader at the Columbus Zoo, and his new adventures as the founder of the animal training company Behavior 360! We wrap up with a big discussion of "the politics of the animal field," and how open, honest communication might just be the key to solving all our interpersonal and industry-wide challenges. 

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